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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:45 am Post subject:

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I agree rosco, this principle can be applied at a higher level too.

I pay a large part of my taxes to the NHS to provide care and assistance if ever it's needed. Though fact is i have not visisted a doctors or hospital for years ... but i dont resent others using "MY" money to get themselves better, if it is for the greater good of the population.

What i do resent however " and i'm going to rile some of you" is people who smoke and then go to hospital with cancer or whatever nasty diesease they have inflicted upon themselves, through there "own neglect" and then expect "me" to pay for them to get help.

Perhaps this is for another discussion moderator ?

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kathy27 · Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject:

Sorry i have to disagree. My cousin died of cancer a few years back at the age of 42, he NEVER smoked NEVER drank and NEVER took drugs, cancer isnt something that just targets people that smoke!
Yes i do smoke (i wish i didnt, but even my doc has said it not the right time for me to stop....my lifestyle!) and im over weight, on a visit to the RUH last month (nothing to do with smoking or my weight! just something over 80% of women will get!) i had a doctor that wouldn't give me the op's that i needed because i was over weight and smoked, (im sure if my leg was hanging off he would have said the same)
After a phone call to the RUH i saw another doctor that was more than happy to give me the op's.
Also my dad is 81 and has smoked since he was 13, maybe we blame smoking for a little too much, its easier than looking for another cause to illness.

GTB · Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject:

Smoking may not be the be-all and end-all when it comes to disease but it certainly gets close. It is the major cause of heart disease, lung problems, circulation problems and so on. Mix smoking in with a hedonistic lifestyle of fatty foods, obesity, alcohol, drugs and stress and humanity is going to hell in a hand cart!! :lol:

Evolution can be a strange thing. We have evolved from single celled organisms over millions of years into a so-called intelligent sentient being that now decides to pump all manner of crap into our system in the names of luxury, recreation and boredom. Perhaps the biggest threat to humanity is actually ourselves.
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kathy27 · Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject:

But what about all the fumes from lorries ,buses and cars, not to mention factories?
But if we are talking about taxes paying for treatment for people that do smoke, we pay taxes aswell and are heavily taxed on our fags on top of that!

GTB · Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject:

The argument regarding car/lorry fumes is a valid one but also includes smoking where it is inhaled passively from inside of buildings by people who have no say in the matter. Thankfully, we no longer have to breathe other peoples smoke in pubs or restaurants. Smokers may pay a lot of tax on their habit but why not, they will be using the NHS a lot more on average than a non-smoker.
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Local lass · Calnetalk Mayor Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 3084 Status:

CHEPFER WROTE
What i do resent however " and i'm going to rile some of you" is people who smoke and then go to hospital with cancer or whatever nasty diesease they have inflicted upon themselves, through there "own neglect" and then expect "me" to pay for them to get help.

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so basicaly nasty diesese that they have inflicted on there selves...

so judging from what you have wrote if its self inflicted then they shouldnt be treated??

mmmm lets see..

some one who has had unprotected sex got a case of the claps
shouldnt be treated as its self inflicted.

someone with aids/hiv??

someone who played sport and is now riddled with aurtheritus???

person who has slashed there wrists

personaly for me the people who shouldnt get treated are the people who come over here just to use are nhs.from are tax money.
all the reffugees ,people who do not pay into the nhs there the ones who shouldnt get treated .
are nhs is under calapse .

not the people who smoke.
you could have a person who has worked hard all there life ,but who smokes and is a little over wieght let him get treated.
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kathy27 · Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject:

GTB · Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject:

Why stop at refugees? Why not stop treatment for people who don't pay a full National Insurance stamp or havn't worked for years for whatever reason? The reason we still treat people on the NHS is because it is open to all (which seems to be a thorn in some peoples side) and also the Hippocratic Oath - to care for a person no matter how they became ill.

There are many sides of the argument about how far we should treat someone who is continuing to harm themselves purposely (smoking, drugs, etc) when the scarce NHS resources could be spent elsewhere on a more deserving person - deciding who that may be would be tantamount to playing god I would imagine.

One such example would be that a young person in their 20's has died in an accident and was carrying a donor card. This person's heart is a perfect match for two people both aged 45 - one is a non-smoking man who led a fairly healthy lifestyle the other is a person who regularly smokes 20+ cigarettes a day and cannot give up no matter what the circumstaces. Who would be the more deserving recipient of this heart given the resources in the NHS?
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Clunk · Ejected Joined: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 935 Status:

One thing that is more dangerous then smoking, is trying to tell me to stop. :lol:

I smoke. I am not proud of smoking, but then I do not have any other vices.
I don't drink.
Never taken drugs.
I don't even watch telly.
My only exercise is spending a few hours a week exploring old mines.
My last doctors visit was in 2003 when I crushed my foot in an industrial accident.

Did you guys know that when the lottery license was available, Richard Branson applied for it? There was to be no profit to him for it, and any profit after overheads would of been injected into the nhs, with the possibility of having national insurance reduced?

But no, the government give the license to a company who build an upside down wok on the isle of dog's. :evil:

Chepfer · Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject:

So what's being said is that perhaps we should do less sports as they are bad for us and smoke more, as this would reduce numbers of people using the NHS - or am i completely getting this wrong?

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