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Local lass Calnetalk Mayor

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: NO drinking on the streets |
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As calne like devizes is a no drinking on the streets i realised yesterday how about those who pop out on to the street for a smoke?
how about those who sit outside the lansdowne on the pavement?
i also wondered who owns the pavements out side the lansdowne and shirleys pet foods,also the cafe in the precient?
i was told that the someone wa asked to move to the other side of the precient out side the cafe as she was smoking .but is it there pavement and do they have the right to do it?
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kathy27 Born and Bred Local

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: |
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I would guess that outside the Lansdowne and in the precient is owned by the council, as they are the ones that have to clear it up, however i dont think that anyone had the rights to ask the person who was smoking to move, as long as they were outside.
As for the drinking in the streets, dont think that was thought through properly, cause if your in the Lansdowne or even the George, now you cant smoke in the pubs, what are you ment to do with your drink when you want a smoke? |
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Local lass Calnetalk Mayor

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| kathy27 wrote: | I would guess that outside the Lansdowne and in the precient is owned by the council, as they are the ones that have to clear it up, however i dont think that anyone had the rights to ask the person who was smoking to move, as long as they were outside.
As for the drinking in the streets, dont think that was thought through properly, cause if your in the Lansdowne or even the George, now you cant smoke in the pubs, what are you ment to do with your drink when you want a smoke? |
thats my point kathy .
i went went passed the lansdowne yeasterday and saw all the chairs there .so by right anyone could be there and they have no right to ask you to move.
I watched the other day a security gaurd in chippenham ask for these people to move out of the porch area outside somerfields.and the emery gate.
quite righty the bloke involved refused to move as like he said there is no signs and he was out side.
and to be fair to the bloke he was away from the doors |
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rosco Born and Bred Local

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:23 am Post subject: |
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The law is written up here: http://www.publications.parliamen...200506/cmbills/069/06069.i-v.html
It talks about smoke-free premises only, thus inside of a pub, shop, café etc. and would seem to exclude any public place unless that was specifically make smoke-free by the local council. So, if you're just smoking on the pavement, there should be no problem (I guess if 50 people were standing around smoking it might be classed as 'obstruction of the public highway' but that's something else! ).
If the bit you're talking about in Emery Gate is still part of the shopping centre, they would have the right to tell you not to smoke there if they wanted (as it is not public property) but otherwise you could indeed smoke there I would have thought?
I'm not sure about the Lansdowne and other cafés putting chairs on the pavement, I thought that you had to apply for a license to do that as it is the public highway (maybe they already do!)? |
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kathy27 Born and Bred Local

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| What happened to a "free country" soon if you smoke and drink you will be sent to the tower! :lol: |
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Local lass Calnetalk Mayor

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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If the bit you're talking about in Emery Gate is still part of the shopping centre, they would have the right to tell you not to smoke there if they wanted (as it is not public property) but otherwise you could indeed smoke there I would have thought?
it was just outside the doors of emery gate there is a over hang of roof there before you get to the carpark.
seems i was wrong about the drinking i was under the impression that you were not aloud to drink on the streets of calne especially in the drink free zone.however we had the calne connections pamphlet today and it has the drinking law in there.
you are allowed to drink in that zone that law only comes in to force if a policemen was to ask you to stop drinking then if you didnt then he could conficate the drink from you. the idea is to stop rowdy drinkers on the street.
what i dont understand though is why do they need a law for that surley that law would have already been in place :evil:
not only that but the coppers are never around anyway so that more money wasted on a law we dont need  |
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kathy27 Born and Bred Local

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| maybe its just me :? but i thought if a copper asked you to stop doing something they had the right to stop you by what ever means. So yeah that law was a waste of money, maybe they could have spent that money putting more police on the streets to uphold the laws already in place :!: |
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rosco Born and Bred Local

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| kathy27 wrote: | | maybe its just me :? but i thought if a copper asked you to stop doing something they had the right to stop you by what ever means. So yeah that law was a waste of money, maybe they could have spent that money putting more police on the streets to uphold the laws already in place :!: |
News to me: I thought that that was the definition of a totalitarian police state, and wasn't aware that the UK was one (yet you might say! :lol: ). |
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