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Would you like to see the flag up every day?
yes
82%
 82%  [ 19 ]
no
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
not sure
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
only on special occassions
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
Total Votes : 23

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Harris
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Local Lass,

Local lass wrote:
what would they do to comemerate a offical date when the flag should fly with one already being up there?

We have been flying the flag on official days because we weren’t allowed to fly it at other times without permission.  There was a restriction prohibiting the flying of the Union flag other than on those 18 official days a year.  Gordon Brown has lifted this restriction and given direction that we should fly the flag daily as a patriotic gesture to help create a new sense of Britishness and to prevent political extremists using the Union flag as a symbol of discord rather than harmony.  We would be commemorating our Britishness, our patriotism and our pride in our country every single day and not just on the birthdays of members of the royal family, Commonwealth Day, Coronation Day, the Queen's wedding day, etc.  

Flying the flag daily would not in any way show that the significance behind these official days represented less to the people of Calne.  In addition, whilst these are important dates – for many the sombre occasions of the repatriation ceremonies are about as important as it gets.

One final thought… if we flew the flag every day and not just on 18 days of the year would the Royal family think we thought any the less of them?

Local lass wrote:
if the flag was to stay up each and every day should it be lowered each night and raised each morning?

I think the official line is that the flag should be flown from 8am until sunset unless it is illuminated at night, e.g. by a spotlight, in which case it can be allowed to fly constantly day and night.

Local lass wrote:
Harris what would be yours [compromise]

I just support the same principles as many people in Calne who want to follow the lead of our Prime Minister over this.

HTH smiling

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chepfer wrote:
"Do not take my comments personaly, this is a forum for discussion and i am trying to create it through open and varied dialogue  Cross ".

I didn’t in any way intend to cause offence and I apologise wholeheartedly if I did

Chepfer wrote:
My own opinion is that yes the Union flag should be flying but also a flag representing Calne's own heritage should be flown.

I couldn’t agree more

Unfortunately this Town Council won’t even let us fly one flag.  What chance have we got of flying two?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject: flag flying Reply with quote

Harris, were you at the council meeting and why not use your real name?

I do not know who timed me but I assure you that I did not go past my alloted time. I was also going to speak about items on the councils agenda but decided not to as I new others wanted to speak.

If anyone wants to speak at council meetings they can register with the council this will ensure that they do get to speak.

As I have previously stated I am not for or against flying the flag.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter you know me well enough.  You also know that the council only discovered the 3 minute ruling during a review of council standing orders later in the meeting.  You didn't stay within your alloted time and no-one was aware that you should have at that point in the meeting.

I haven’t seen a statement from you that you are neutral in this debate.  In fact some of your previous comments, in particular the following quote appeared to indicate that you were against flying the Union flag (although supported flying it for repatriations which you offered as a compromise).

Peter Dolman wrote:
Dear Harris, the fact that a small vociferous minority makes a big noise does not justify changing years of history just so they will go away.
The question is why should any flag be flown on a permanent basis? What justification is there.

I am a supporter of this and other forums, I suppose as many have said, I have opinions which I am happy to express. The fact is though that again in reality there is only a small number of contributors who are as opinionated as I am.

Still its does pass the time and I am more than happy for others to have opinions different to me.

Have a nice day


You have a nice day too :lol:
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One final thought… if we flew the flag every day and not just on 18 days of the year would the Royal family think we thought any the less of them?


dont think the royal family would even care :lol:
but saying that im not really a royalist
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not been on the forum for a little while and was amazed that this thread is still going strong. It seems that whether we should have a Union Jack flying from the town hall is an immotive subject. From my own point of view I have to say that I believe that we as a nation are in danger of losing our national identity for many reason, far too many to go into here, and therefore anything which brings us a sense of unity I am in favour of. So I for one would like to fly the flag and to hell with those who disagree. Be British, Be Proud and Belong or get out !!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Local lass wrote:
dont think the royal family would even care :lol:
but saying that im not really a royalist

Exactly :wink:

Bear wrote:
I have not been on the forum for a little while and was amazed that this thread is still going strong. It seems that whether we should have a Union Jack flying from the town hall is an immotive subject. From my own point of view I have to say that I believe that we as a nation are in danger of losing our national identity for many reason, far too many to go into here, and therefore anything which brings us a sense of unity I am in favour of. So I for one would like to fly the flag and to hell with those who disagree. Be British, Be Proud and Belong or get out !!!!

Bear you are so right
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:56 am    Post subject: flag flying Reply with quote

Unfortunately Harris you have the advantage over me for I do not know who you are. Why you feel the need to hide your identity I cannot imagine, but it is your perogative.

[b]The 3 minute rule is not recently introduced having been part of the councils standing orders when I was elected in May 2003. I suggest that you request a copy of the standing orders from the council offices then you can get your facts right. I was fully aware of the 3 minute rule as should have been all the councillors (apart from perhaps the newly elected member for Lickhill)[/b]


As I have explained if you want to speak at a council meeting you can register before hand. At the District Council meeting you can only speak if you have registered prior to the meeting commencing, perhaps the town council should introduce the same rule.

At no time have I expressed a bais either way in this debate, I am just defending individal councillors rights to vote as their concious dictates in any debate.
A right that we are enjoying in this forum.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: flag flying Reply with quote

Peter Dolman wrote:
At no time have I expressed a bais either way in this debate, I am just defending individal councillors rights to vote as their concious dictates in any debate.
A right that we are enjoying in this forum.


This is Wiltshire Fri 4 Jan 08, Peter Dolman wrote:
I attended the council meeting when this was debated and the council did not object on the grounds of cost and the figure of £80.00 I do not recall being mentioned. Councillor Ireland did not leave the meeting he just moved from the council seats to the public seating and then spent the rest of the evening in discussion with the 3 representatives of the BNP who were at the meeting.
This is not a case of cost or being patrionic it is just a case of what is sensible. We do not have a history of flying the flag apart from special occassions and this is how, in my opinion, it should remain.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched the rugby today between Wales and Scotland.

Neither team sang the national anthem and neither team displayed the union jack..............

Why is this ?
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