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Geddi · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: 60 Years since the Nakba.

NAKBA DAY OF ACTION IN BRISTOL this Thursday 15th May

Meet 9.30am outside Miners Arms Pub, Mina Road, St Werburghs, Bristol
For 10.00am Tree-planting for Palestine at Narroways Junction
Followed by a day of Boycott-Israeli-Goods stalls and leafleting throughout the city
(Transport provided)
Culminating with
Special Peace Vigil 5.30-6.30pm on the Centre, opposite the Hippodrome

For those who don't know what the Nakba is ... www.google.com

In a nutshell, it was 60 years ago that the largest ethnic cleansing ever recorded occurred. Since then over 70 UN resolutions and UNSC resolutions have been cited and the ICJ has ruled actions illegal. The fourth Geneva Protocol has been consistently denied and therefore broken and yet Israel, which is the country which has perpetrated these crimes, has been coddled and is still today being treated to preferential treatment by the UK and the EU. This rogue state is being invited to deeper relations with Europe where decisions are being made which affect our everyday lives here in Calne.

Speak out, while there are still enough voices left

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Block67 · Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject:

:sleepy2: :sleepy1: :sleepy2:

rosco · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: 60 Years since the Nakba.

GTB · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject:

We have created similar problems in the past with Northern Ireland and that is only just getting a bit more sensible after more than 300 years.
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Block67 · Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject:

Israel marks its 60th anniversary
Celebrations have taken place across Israel to mark the 60th anniversary of the founding of the state.
Fireworks, concerts and an aerial display were among the events laid on, while Israeli families enjoyed picnics and barbecues for the national holiday.
Israel declared itself an independent state on 14 May 1948, three years after the end of World War II, and the death of six million Jews in the Holocaust.
But Palestinians know the foundation day as al-Nakba, or "the Catastrophe".
They held solemn marches in the West Bank, meant to symbolise the hope of Palestinian refugees to return to villages in what is now Israel.
It is peace, not war, that we aspire to and crave
Ehud Olmert, Israeli PM

At one march, attended by thousands of Arab Israelis from northern Israel, hundreds of protesters clashed with police, and several people were injured, police said.
Israeli celebrations meanwhile drew large crowds to military air shows, while military bases opened their doors to the public to show off some of their arsenal.
Uncertain future
The BBC's Tim Franks in Jerusalem says Israel has changed dramatically since it was founded, with a population nearly 10 times larger, and a stronger economy and military than its founders could have dreamt of.
However he says it is also a place riven by uncertainty - over its unresolved conflicts with neighbouring Arab countries and the Palestinians, and over the question of whether its own religious, political and ethnic mosaic still fits together.
The state of Israel was proclaimed about six months after the United Nations General Assembly voted to partition what was then Palestine into Jewish and Arab states.
In the war that followed, some 700,000 Palestinians fled or were driven out of their homes.
The anniversary is calculated according to the Jewish lunar calendar.
Palestinians are due to mark the occasion, al-Nakba, on 15 May.
Hopes for peace
The 60 years of Israel's existence have been marked by conflict, both with its Arab neighbours, and with Palestinians living under occupation.
On Wednesday, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert spoke of his hopes for future peace, in a speech marking Remembrance Day, when Israelis honour soldiers killed since the state was founded.
"Our conflict has been long indeed," he said.
"However, it is peace, not war that we aspire to and crave."
Israel's existence as a nation, he said, depended on its "willingness and ability" to defend itself, but there was also a "willingness to compromise".
Mr Olmert's political future is being called into question, since he became the centre of a police inquiry. The Israeli courts have imposed a gagging order on reporting the details of the inquiry.
US President George W Bush is due to attend a conference marking the anniversary in Jerusalem next week.
The US president is pushing for a Middle East peace settlement before he leaves office in January, but there has been little visible progress in talks between Israelis and Palestinians.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/7389140.stm

Published: 2008/05/08 19:21:29 GMT

There are two sides to every story. Doesn't seem like ethnic cleansing, more like a mass eviction? Jews have rights as well as muslims, and I would rather be the former if I had to choose.
Just my opinion.

Geddi · Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:50 am Post subject:

Block: You stated - "Doesn't seem like ethnic cleansing, more like a mass eviction"

Do you realise how dumb this is what you are saying? What on earth do you think ethnic cleansing is?

The Zionist (this is nothing to do with being jewish as so many many jews throughout the world, including inside Isreal, will testify) declaration of Israel on Palestinian land and the forced 'eviction' of 3/4 million local people (including many christians who have lived there since the Romans were there) and all the other destruction, is often 'excused' by Israeli apologists who attempt to make it all ok by invoking the suffering of 6 million jews at the hands of the nazis in the 1930s and 40s. It was no excuse back in 1948 and it is not now.

The claim that Israel belongs to the jews because they are 'god's chosen' people rings no truer either, as that was the excuse that Adolf Hitler used for invading Poland. Room to grow is no excuse either, as this was, again, a nazi claim ~ Lebensraum ~ which was also not acceptable.

Israel's treatment of not only Lebanon (with a 50% Christian population), West Bank and Gaza, not to mention the apartheid wall, named illegal by the ICJ, as well as Tunisia, Libya, Iraq, and other countries including the British in 1946 and 47, is unacceptable, and yet is rewarded by the US and the EU and UK.

If we ever intend to deter bad behaviour in the world we are not doing so by rewarding the terrorist actions of the rogue state of Israel. Israel has NEVER been willing to compromise a single iota. They want it all. They always have.

Block: The fact that a politician says something about 'wanting peace' means nothing to me. Not when that same man attended a meeting in the USA last November and agreed to cease the illegal building of settlements in the West Bank. Not at any point did the building of the illegal settlements cease or even slow down.

As Rosco says, imagine some heavy handed group of people who used to live here (so they claim) some 2000 or so years ago and their god says that they have to come back here. They come and start to kill cattle, sheep and knock down olive plantations and attack the local people. Eventually, the local people get annoyed to hell with it and react! That is when the brutality begins in earnest.

Here's a thing to consider - Israel itself does not recognize their borders as defined by the UN and the world. The borders are to be "..defined by actions.." Israel should not even be allowed into the UN due to the breaking of international laws as declared in the Geneva Conventions, to which Israel is a signatory. This is a pre-requisite for being in the UN yet Israel has constantly ignored this and again is getting rewarded for its illegal actions.

Anyone who claims that Muslims are badass should look into the history of Israel. Not as described in lies and spin and twists, but as defined by actual events. A good way to gain insight quickly (I have been reading and studying this subject for 10 years or so with some depth of interest in the last four years) watch the film 'Occupation 101'. It is free to watch on Google video. It is primarily made by Jews and it is internationally renowned as being both accurate and fair.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2451908450811690589
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Block67 · Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject:

:lol: - got you to bite again! :lol:

Seriously though, there are two sides to this.My view remains the same, although i don't agree with some of the things Israel has done, do you condone palestinian indiscriminate terrorist acts? Cross

Its a sad world out there.

Geddi · Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject:

I did think that perhaps you were egging me on when I realised that almost all the last post was copy and pasted verbatim from a website.

In answer - NO. I do not condone some of the tactics the Palestinian resistance movements have adopted, partly due to their playing into the hands of the Israelis, mainly due to the negative effects it has on the whole situation.

It seems that a whole nation of a few million people is slowly losing hope. During WW2 when France and Holland and other countries were occupied by military forces there was always hope for them that the Allies would come along and save them, come and rescue them. For the Palestinians, there is no arriving force, the UN has made resolutions after resolutions which are ignored by the world, once either Israel or the US or UK or a combination have vetoed the resolutions.

The Fourth Geneva Convention is blatantly being disregarded. There is no parallel in history for what is happening there. The Palestinians are fighting a war against illegal occupation and illegal settlement. Were the French resistance wrong to fight the Germans who occupied France in WW2? Were the Americans wrong to rebel against the British to gain independence in 1776?

Is it ever wrong (it is certainly legal, some would say a moral obligation) to rebel against illegal invasion and occupation. I'd like to think I would also rebel should Britain be unfortunate enough to come under a brutal military occupation by foreign powers.

Even more so should they start killing my children and the children of my friends, neighbours and family. If all I had were home made rockets and stones from the ground against the 3000+ tanks and 400+ F16s plus uncounted attack helicopters, I would use that.

The worse aspect is that our leaders do not ignore it, they condone it by allowing Israel access to our most closely guarded places in the heart of our nations with all the privileges of Switzerland and Norway.

I know you have a sense of fun to 'wind me up' as it were Block. Spend an hour and half to watch the video, Occupation 101. Then ... well. Just watch the thing and listen...
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