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Block67 · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject:

My opinion is that there should be a DNA database of everyone in the UK. I have no problems with it, and I would say that it would predominately be people with criminal tendencies, etc, that would opposed such a database.
The plus side is far greater than the minus on this issue. Although it would not stop a lot of criminal activity, it would deter all but the determined criminal, and even then, at least they would be caught a lot sooner and taken out of circulation (obviously for the more serious crimes).

Geddi · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject:

DNA now? What next, compulsory implanted micro-chips with a national data base of where we all are at any given moment?

How far do we give away our freedoms to gain .. what exactly?
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Block67 · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:53 am Post subject:

Geddi · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:54 am Post subject:

Block: you go right ahead and pass on your DNA. Someone has already pointed out within this thread (I think it was GTB) that DNA can be, and already has been, transfered as a deliberate ploy toimplicate someone else in a crime.

Far fetched? You think? Check out what is already happening in clothes and other goods with RFID chips hidden inside them. These things are tiny, around 1mm and are not mentioned to customers. When they are paid for, they are linked to the customer's card and can then be tracked and traced whereever they go within range of one of the scanners. The scanners (in 2004) were the size of cigarette packets. Now I guess they will either be far smaller, or have far greater range.

You disbelieve me? Here are the company's details who make the system. They already trialed it years ago in the US and were criticised for boasting about it by the other company who were in on it ~ Walmart ~ and by customers for not telling them at source.

http://www.alientechnology.com/

Ironic name, dont ya think! I now see that Tescos are also looking to get into the deals as well. So, another chip for humans under the skin, which you scoff at, has been made illegal to be made mandatory in Wisconsin, USA. Verichip, to name one brand of under the skin microchip, has even been in discussion with Mastercard and could be experimenting with the new name they have registered - Mondex. (Mon = hand; Dex = money) People believe they are trying to establish an injected under the skin type credit card system!

This is happening in a country where there are still a great number of people alive with numbers tattooed on their forearms.

Imagine in 1935 talking about Auschwitz, Gemmersheim, Dachau, Treblinka and all those other monstrous places where people were rounded up to and hoarded into appalling conditions and either worked to death, starved to death or killed in other ways. No-one would believe it. Had you suggested that it would happen under the Germans, the Nazis, still no-one would believe it and would probably have scoffed at whoever mentioned it. Germany, in the 1930s, was at the peak of scientific and cultural mastery in all the world. It was a country to look to for inspiration, despite some darker shades within.
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GTB · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject:

I don't think that a DNA database is the be-all and end-all in crime prevention. It may arguably serve as a deterrent to have one's DNA already on a database but it won't bring back somebody who's just been murdered - it may help in catching the perpetrator a bit quicker that's all.
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Block67 · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject:

GTB, you are right and i agree, it wouldn't be the be all and end all, but it would help catch repeat criminals (serial rapists, murderers, etc) a lot sooner, and who knows, if such a database came into existance, then surely serial rapists and murderers would decline as they could be caught (hopefully) after their first victim?
It's just my opinion, and I think that it would be a good thing.
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Geddi · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject:

Block: an old adage comes to mind here - just because I am paranoid does not mean they are not out to get me.

Some say it's crazy to be paranoid. Others say you can not be paranoid enough.

I take a middle view. I also like to think I am on the side of freedom and a certain type of freedom which does not condemn people who are not proven guilty by due process of law or whatever. I am largely suspicious of International Corporations and Institutes and am certainly highly suspicious of the big oil men behind Mr Bush and co.
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