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GTB
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Some very good points there, Geddi.
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If we all ate vastly varied and healthy vegan diets, we could all expect to live about 9 years longer, experience fewer heart attacks, lower cholesterol levels, less sexual dysfunction (men), lower incidence of bowel cancer and be a lot calmer with lower blood pressure. Fewer incidences of excema and asthma and higher sensitivity to others could also result. |
I know one vegan quite well and I have to say that her skin is a lovely magnolia colour (she looks a bit like DATA from Star Trek :lol: ) Mankind has evolved as an omnivore but we are not built to eat the amounts of meat that we are consuming at present standards. Like you said, if we ate a more varied diet we would all be the better for it.
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Here's a point here. Animals eat food we could eat, except for poultry and browsing milch animals like goats. Not very efficient.: |
Most (90%+) arable land is on flat areas which are easy to farm. Beef stock and sheep are kept on more hilly hard to farm areas. If this country was to get rid of all it's farm animals where would we get the dung from to spread onto the fields?
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I find it amusing, to a point, what different cultures consider ok to eat or not, especially animals. In UK we tend to frown at eating rats, horses, dogs and others. Elsewhere it is not considered good to eat pork, in others beef. |
I think the western palate has been spoilt by huge quantities of very bland meat (even free range chicken is bland nowadays) and anything with a bit of taste or texture, pheasant for example, is frowned upon. When in Rome act like a Roman (or something like that :lol:).
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Geddi
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Thanks for your comments, GTB. I know loads of vegans and was vegan myself for over five years. I actually gave up dairy produce before meat and enjoyed eating rabbits and game for a while beyond that. Compassion in World Farming are all for fair treatment of animals and have been behind many of the changes in laws over the last 30+ years. They don't advocate meat free or otherwise, only that animals should be treated with some dignity and suffering kept minimal.
I tend to agree with you about blandness of modern meats. One of my favourite meats is ostrich, although in honesty I have eaten it very rarely. It's dark and rich and yet low in all the bad stuff (so I am told). I also like pheasant and other darker meats.
I'll have to continue this later. I am being dragged off to watch a circus...
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The human body is a carnivore to live as a vegetarian is nuts.One of my friends have been a vegitarian for 13 years and she is always ill and pasty.
The body needs meat to get a healthy balance.
And as for vegan 
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kathy27
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I love my meat and two veg (im not being rude either! :wink: )
I do have friends that are veggie, but they never really look well and do have alot of health problems. |
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| Local lass wrote: | | The human body is a carnivore |
Humans evolved as omnivores not as carnivores.
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Why do we have incisors, if we were not supposed to eat meat.
Vegetarians generally need vitamin suppliments, to give them extra protein, why is this ? |
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Sam
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Vegetarians generally need vitamin supplements, to give them extra protein, why is this |
My Husband has been a vegetarian for about 10 years and is very healthy certainly does not take supplements. His asthma and allergies that used to rule his life seemed to disappear along with the meat.
Protein is in plenty of other foods  A lot of my friends and their children are vegi's and all very healthy.
Its a personnal choice.
I stopped buying meat because I make mostly vegetarian meals and ended up throwing any meat away, so im doing it for financial reasons. |
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what made you become vegitarian?
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Geddi
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I a trying to stop laughing here... I stopped following this thread for a few days and just came back.
It's a massive myth that vegetarians or vegans NEED to add more to their diets in the form of pills or added vitamins or protein. There are many opinions about what man is designed for as an animal, whether vegetarian, vegan, omnivore or what. My opinion is like that of an engineer ~ let's examine the scientific facts and do some comparisson with other animals who we know about who are distinctly one way or another.
Cats: Carnivore - Short intestine, sharp claws and teeth, fast over short distances.
Rabbits: Vegan - Long intestine, blunt claws, flat teeth, sidewards facing eyes.
Gorillas: Vegan - long intestine, blunt flat claws(nails), mixed teeth including long sharp canines, forward facing eyes.
Bears: Omnivore - medium intestine, sharp claws, mixed teeth, including sharp canines, forward facing eyes.
Humans: ?????? - long intestine, blunt claws(nails), mixed teeth including sharp canines, forward facing eyes.
I am looking, I am thinking... Hmm... I think human's were originally vegan and found eating carrion was an easy way to satisfy an appetite. Perhaps a madness or religious instinct made our ancestors try some cooked meat after a forest fire? Who knows.
Humans have developed brains and out of over 50 pulses (lentils, beans, peas, etc) which need to be prepared and can be combined with either nuts or grains to make whole proteins for human needs, only humans have the brain capacity to utilise all of these marvelously complex ways of getting food. Great, aint it.
P.S. This is not a sermon, I eat meat.
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| I like meat, but will not eat veal (just don't agree with the principal). We have canine teeth, may as well use them! As for being veggie, no way, never liked them as a kid, and I only eat veg now to balance my diet! |
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