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kathy27 · Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject:

No chepfer, i think the point being made is no matter what you do, smoke or not exercise or not, you can be ill or not!
Just because people smoke it doesn't mean there are more likely to be ill.
Just because people play sport it doesn't mean they are more likely to break a leg!

GTB · Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject:

kathy27 · Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject:

The point i was trying to make was just because someone smokes it doesn't mean they will get cancer or need more treatment then someone that doesn't.
example.... My dad has smoked since he was 12 years old.....he is now 81 and other than a hip replacement (nothing to do with his smoking, he fell over in the garden!) he is fine!

Also just because someone plays sports it does'nt mean they are going to break a leg.....
Last night i was going to pick up my daughter and laying on the pavement was a women who had fallen off the path, she had hurt her leg....... she wasn't playing a sport!

My point is illness isnt bothered who it attacks, smokers non-smokers its not bothered.
We all pay our taxes and all should be treated the same, if the need arises!

GTB · Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject:

I do see what you are saying - illness attacks with an indiscriminate eye.

I do, however, stand by my opinion that it is a waste of scarce NHS funds to do major heart surgery on somebody who is adamant that they cannot give up smoking - it would be like changing the oil but re-using the old oil filter (not a very sentimental analogy but you get my drift). There is enough resources being put forward to get people of the deadly weed and certainly enough information to try and stop them taking it up in the first place but some people won't listen until it's too late. I cannot believe my eyes when you see these school kids walking through Calne with a cigarette in their hands trying to look all grown up. Silly sods!! Roll eyes

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kathy27 · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:37 am Post subject:

I too can see your point, it makes you wonder how these kids get their fags in the first place, (you have to be 18 to buy them now!) Roll eyes

I guess its the same as George Best..... had a transplant but wouldnt give up the drink!

I only started smoking about 6 years ago, the doctor told me my mum only had a limited time left, i was upset and someone offered me a fag........hooked!!
I would like to give up, but my doctor has told me its not the right time for me at the min, too many stresses in my life!!

Geddi · Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject:

Smoking - YUK! Don't get me started, I am an EX smoker and worse nightmare of smokers.

Here's a few things many people are aware of but forget:

(i) tax on cigarettes is high precisely BECAUSE of the massive amount of harm it does.
(ii) the effects of smoking are damaging to more than those who smoke.
(iii) smoking is addictive and nicotine is an addictive drug which is incredibly difficult to get away from.
(iv) we ALL have vices of one form or another. Smoking, drinking, driving larger cars than we need, eating too much, etc..

There are more but it's getting dull listing them..

GTB - Doctors no longer take the Hippocratic oath, instead they seem to swear an allegiance to the pHarmaceutical companies to traffic their toxic potions and noxious lotions and all, regardless of consequences and whatever the side effects.

There are a lot of things available for people trying to quit smoking but this is primarily missing out the point of WHY people smoke in the first instance... you have to assist people with other parts of their lives other than simply to break their habits or else something else will fill the gap.

I smoked when I was 6 or 7 after stealing cigarettes from my mother's packet. When she gave up when I was about 8 or 9 I had withdrawals and I stole money to buy them. Packs of five with my dinner money instead of lunch! Nuts I know, now. Then, I was addicted and knew no better. Took me most of my life to conquer them and I am a strong willed person.

The tobacco companies should be crushed like an empty cig packet. Perhaps take the sales away from the shops and only allow adults to get them on prescription until they are weaned off and then a complete ban.

The USA threatened crippling sanctions on Thailand if the Thais banned cigarette advertising. This is outrageous behaviour. In Colombia the US air force sprays toxic sprays onto Coca plantations because of the so called war on drugs, yet imagine the outcry if Thailand were to do likewise in the fields of North Carolina and Virginia? Tobacco is a foul commodity to sell, especially the chemically drenched nasty stuff which finds its merry way into cigarettes in the developing countries of the world.

It's that dreadful thing called capitalism all over again. Where there are vast profits to be made off the backs of people's suffering, the vast profits win!
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Geddi · Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject:

Whoops. I ranted on a tad there in the wrong direction.

NHS and smoking - so the argument goes: tax on tobacco products in this country pays for the NHS entirely and more besides.

Personally, I seriously doubt this. It would be good to get accurate figures.
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kathy27 · Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject:

Geddi, on your list of vices..... my only vice is i smoke! so what, i buy my own fags, even my doctor doesn't think i should stop at the min, (my life has too many stresses) and to be honest i dont think i want to (i might kill someone!)
I dont drink.... yes i do drive a big car, but with a family of 6 and a disabled father and 5 dogs i need a big car! and as for eatting too much, :lol: When starting my diet, i was told i dont eat enough (i can go days without feeling eating or hungry!)
Back to doctors, when i was a nurse, the amount of doctors and nurses that all went outside for a fag far out-weighed the ones that didnt smoke!

Geddi · Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject:

Kathy ~ when my gran was carrying my mum, Drs believed that smoking was no bad thing even in pregnancy as it led to smaller babies which were easier to deliver. Now of course we know different. Of course, excessively large babies are not good either...

Smoking in bed is either dangerous or you need lubricant...
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GTB · Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: