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Would you like to see the flag up every day?
yes
82%
 82%  [ 19 ]
no
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
not sure
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
only on special occassions
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
Total Votes : 23

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Chepfer
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree and if what you say is true, then as it is such a "special occasion" ...... The flag should be flown and the lives of these incredable people should be honoured accordingly !

Perhaps even ceremonally flown at half mast perhaps !

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harris wrote:
The Union Flag has now been taken down from the Town Hall – there is an article in the Gazette and Herald.  The Flag was put up on Tuesday following a vote by the Town Councillors and 5 members of the public who had chosen to attend.  Around 4 or 5 councillors voted against flying the flag, all the rest voted in favour.  The article in the paper reports that the Town Clerk – Linda Roberts – has said that the vote at the Parish AGM, although it does stand, has no sway over decisions already made by the council.  The Town Councillors voted last year 13-2 not to fly the flag.

So let me get this straight – the Town Councillors have clearly voted in favour of flying the flag, but because their vote was cast in a Parish AGM it cannot change the decision of their previous vote – albeit the majority have, over the course of the last few months, clearly reviewed their position and decided in favour of the flag being flown.  What a ridiculous position for the Town Clerk to take!

Almost 100% of people in Calne who have been asked for an opinion (some 233 so far) have said that they want to fly the flag and show support for our Armed Forces and respect for those who lose their lives.

Tomorrow the bodies of the 2 airmen killed in Afganistan last Saturday will be repatriated into RAF Lyneham and it is likely that their families and loved one’s will be arriving in Calne today to stay overnight.

To take the flag down on the basis of a supposed technicality on the eve of this repatriation is not just insensitive – it is downright insulting.



This is the article
http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk....outcry_as_flag_is_taken_down.php
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its disgusting them taking the flag down .
they found 232 people who supported flying the flag .
i could find double that who wants to fly it and if i must i will.
when are the councilours going to listen to the maroraty of the people of calne?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when are the councilours going to listen to the maroraty of the people of calne?

That would be a first
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't quite understand how the flag got up in the first place though: if the Town Council said no, that is what counts - the fact that a Parish council (a smaller organisaiton that doens't represent all of Calne) said yes cannot over-rule that decision, am I right?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The vote was taken by the full Town Council present – the full Town Council voted by a majority to fly the flag.  The issue the Town Clerk is making is that they voted during the Parish AGM and not a bit later during the following Town Council meeting.  When the vote was cast, everyone present – Councillors and public – understood that they had just witnessed a majority vote in favour of flying the flag and nothing was mentioned to indicate that this was not the case.

The flag went up for a day and a half and then the Town Clerk seems to have re-interpreted the rules saying now that a vote taken by the full Town Council during a Parish AGM does not count.  So she took the flag down again.

(Gets a bit baffling here…) Then she put it up again today although no-one had to vote for this (notice any lack of consistency?) presumably out of respect for the 2 airmen repatriated today (this hasn’t happened before and no-one is advertising that this is the reason – if it is then it deserves credit) then it was down again by 4:50pm (which breaks the rules for flying flags).

So you can’t fly the flag because the Council voted against it, then you can because the Council voted for it, then you can’t because the vote doesn’t count, then you can because who needs a vote, then we’ll invent a new time for lowering the flag…this sad comedy of errors is sure to continue.

Rosco – you started your post with “I don’t quite understand”.  Has this helped?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harris wrote:


Rosco – you started your post with “I don’t quite understand”.  Has this helped?


A bit!  smiling
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harris wrote:
The vote was taken by the full Town Council present – the full Town Council voted by a majority to fly the flag.  The issue the Town Clerk is making is that they voted during the Parish AGM and not a bit later during the following Town Council meeting.  When the vote was cast, everyone present – Councillors and public – understood that they had just witnessed a majority vote in favour of flying the flag and nothing was mentioned to indicate that this was not the case.

The flag went up for a day and a half and then the Town Clerk seems to have re-interpreted the rules saying now that a vote taken by the full Town Council during a Parish AGM does not count.  So she took the flag down again.

(Gets a bit baffling here…) Then she put it up again today although no-one had to vote for this (notice any lack of consistency?) presumably out of respect for the 2 airmen repatriated today (this hasn’t happened before and no-one is advertising that this is the reason – if it is then it deserves credit) then it was down again by 4:50pm (which breaks the rules for flying flags).

So you can’t fly the flag because the Council voted against it, then you can because the Council voted for it, then you can’t because the vote doesn’t count, then you can because who needs a vote, then we’ll invent a new time for lowering the flag…this sad comedy of errors is sure to continue.

Rosco – you started your post with “I don’t quite understand”.  Has this helped?



this is the problems with councils.to many rules .at the end of the day its a flag what is very easlity put up or taking down and yet the councill is so bloody long winded with it.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is the problems with councils.to many rules .at the end of the day its a flag what is very easlity put up or taking down and yet the councill is so bloody long winded with it.



Couldnt agree more Basil Fawlty couldnt have made me laugh anymore than the crazed politicians and officials of Calne
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The annual parish meeting is an opportunity for residents of Calne to have their say. I attended the meeting as a resident.
Also present as a resident was Ellie Bland who was a town councillor at the same time I was.

The rules relating to Parish meetings are quite clear, residents can propose a resolution and that can be voted on but the decision  is not binding on the council.

The decision was not unanimous as I voted against it.

The resolution could not have been discussed in the full council meeting following the Parish meeting as it was not on the agenda.

Yes there are many rules and regulations governing coucillors and their meetings, some are a pain but they are all there to safeguard the general public ie you & I.
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