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Local lass · St. Mary's Old Girl Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 2240

because he's obsessed with politics, it's hardly going to be peer pressure

but is he aware of what the other groups wish to offer.if he is then fair play to him at least he is taking a intrest in what other kids just cant be bothered about.
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Geddi · Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject:

When children are taught history in schools, they are taught biased versions of history. As a man once said: "History is bunkum" another said: "History is recorded by the victors"

The above two men who quoted the above two quotes can be easily found via google. The names may not be important but their message is - everything is bias!

Political parties in schools? NO!
Army recruitment in schools? Double NO!
Religion in schools? triple NO!

All forms of indoctrination is horrid. Religion and politics is a personal thing and should be well and truly left outside of schools in a country which claims to be secular.

When my eldest son started school in Calne some 17 years ago, I attended with him to register before the term began. I was asked what his religion was so I turned and asked him directly. He stared at me blankly as though I had spoken Swahili or Urdu to him or something. I turned back to the receptionist and told her quite affably that I didn't think he had yet decided.
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Peter Dolman · Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:57 am Post subject:

Geddi surely education in any form per say is indoctrination. On that basis we should let our kids to do what they want.
Unfortunately this would not benefit our kids in the long run as social cohesion would break down. It would be fantastic for a few years but what then?

I do know where you are coming from and agree with you but there has to be some form of "control/indoctrination" for the collective good.

Deep subject and to some extent not worth talking about as the 5% of the world's population which has 95% of the worlds wealth are certainly not going to change things!

Geddi · Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:10 am Post subject:

Peter: I was not thinking to allow us all to get away from formal education, although now you mention it ... Laughing

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OK, seriously, we need to change what we can learn within our schooling as we are very evidently heading in the wrong direction.

I was actually saying that despite all the bias involved, we simply should not be teaching religion or recruiting for military or party politics in schools.

I am also going to add another thing here, perhaps even more important to me: GET THE CORPORATIONS OUT OF SCHOOLS! I don't want Nike and Coca Cola and McDonald's interfering with education. Who would?
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rosco · Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:18 am Post subject:

The trouble with excluding some thing from school is that people are then totally unprepared for it in the real world. I agree that they should not be indoctrinated in it, but ought to be at least aware and able to make their own decisions.

You don't need to have a party-political recruiting event, but you should explain the UK political system and how parties work in it.

Against, with teh army, other professions can try to recruit at schools so why not the army? Again, having people aware of it as an option at least cannot be a bad thing surely? And some would argue that reintroduction of Cadet Forces would help the youth attain a sense of direction at an early stage.

Again religion in schools gives you some idea of what it is about and what is out there: create a total vacuum around it and students will know nothing and make no informed decisions at all in their life.

It can be a fine line between teaching and indoctrination, but not teaching at all seems a bad choice to me.

Geddi · Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:46 am Post subject:

Roscoe:

That's not the point really. Learning is not indoctrination. For the labour party to walk in and spout their own brand of BS is not on. For kids to learn about parliamentary democracy is good.

Similarly, to learn about what options are available for kids as careers opportunities is different from come company coming into the schools and recruiting, whether it is the military or otherwise is not a good thing.

Religious Education (RE) is taught as a subject and encourages free thoughts and debate. This is good. To suggest a 'main' religion is out of line with a country which claims to be a secular state.
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GTB · Bentlian Oldboy Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 614

What I object to is that schools are still affiliated with the Church of England or Catholic Churches. Isn't it about time, as we edge further into the 21st century, that we discard religeous mythology for a more scientific approach to learning? It seems illogical to teach the pupils all about Darwinism (which has scientific proof) and then to tutor them on mythological dieties (which has no scientific proof)? If you adhere to religous teaching then sciences such as geology, biology, astonomy, etc become a parody as you end up teaching two very seperate chain of events - one fact, one fictional.
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rosco · Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: