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Calne18 · Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject:

my Dad had to find another similar box and its bigger than the original black one and every week we put out both boxes filled to the top and also an extra carrier bag. But i know people who recycle nothing and it doesnt take much effort I dont see why its so hard to put a box out once a week

Attrebates · Born and Bred Local Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 392 Status:

You're absolutely right, Calne18. It isn't too dificult but it's a new concept to some and it is very difficult sometimes to get people to adapt to new ideas.

In Calne we do not yet have any of the petty restrictions that are rigorously applied by refuse collectors in other areas. Nor yet have we been threatenened by the compliance "police". But you give some examples of why they may be necessary.

North Wilts District Council who are responsible for waste collection services, have been very patient, but waste producers and waste collectors need a deal of education.

Calne18 · Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject:

but I do agree with what has been written earlier on in this post about plastic. We have so much plastic from squah/fizzy bottle and food containers but we have to find somewhere to store it until there is enough to make a trip to the tip worth it.

Attrebates · Born and Bred Local Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 392 Status:

Moving forward from the re-cycling centres such as Compton Bassett, what happens to OUR rubbish when it leaves there ?

Does it get exported to India or Africa and buried in the earth there (See Panorama of a couple of months ago) leaving a large carbon footprint behind it in the form of transportation residues ?

ISO 14000 states that there is a legal requirement (not a guideline) for councils to follow the trail of their disposal companies to ensure that those companies are meeting the requirements of the ISO even if the rubbish leaves our shores.

It is unfair of councils to penalise their customers if they have not got their own house in order. This has happened.

Does in get buried in our own fair land to contaminate the soil for centuries ?

Should it, as Soiley suggests, get dumped at sea with its associated contamination hazards ?

To me although it is not a perfect solution, ultra high temperature furnaces would seem to provide at least a "short term" answer.

With the improved smoke stack filtering available, the cost to the atmosphere can be minimised and possibly offset by the reduced intercontinental transport residues.

I know there are already furnace facilities that do burn old tyres and occasionally there are occasional pollution incidents. But I suspect that the technology used at these places has changed.

It doesn't seem unreasonable to generate electricity from these places or would we all rather go nuclear ? Its cleaner, but..............

Windfarms are not that efficient especially if there is no (or too much) wind.

The air in the UK is very much cleaner than it was 50 years ago and I would not wish to return to those awful times. Latest information is that "Climate change" is more influenced by sunspot activity than man's activities.

We cannot DO anything about the sun but I would have no major issues with green taxes IF they were actually being used to make the environment better but do they?

There are no all round Win/Win scenarios so it seems a question of choosing the least damaging.
And yes, providing all environmental standards can be met and I got cheap energy, I would not mind having one at the bottom of my garden.

Or a farm whereby microbiology breaks down our garbage ?

Or can we afford to ignore the whole problem ? Is there a problem ?

What do you guys think ?

Stands back and awaits heaped condemnation of ideas.

GTB · Bushton Bushwacker Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 2206 Status:

Excellent post, Attrebates. :thumbr:

Westbury cement works burn approx. 10,000 car tyres every day at their Westbury plant and this must use up the large surplus of West country used-tyres. These tyres last around 10 seconds in their kilns which are burning at 2000c. Now that one of their two kilns is to be shut down they will inevitably be halving the amount of tyres they are burning which may mean disposal somewhere else. They have recently spent something like £5 million on a new filtration unit on their large chimney.

Recycling has to be the way forward but packaging of goods must change radically if we are to succeed. Just look at the amount of useless packaging on something like an Easter egg or a childs toy.

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