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Should he be extradited?
NO, he is not a terrorist, he's a british citizen.
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YES, just to keep paranoid america happy?
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rosco
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He should not be extradited to the US nor serve as the sacrificial victim to American paranoia: unfortunately, that seems to be exactly what's going to happen.   :(


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how this would pan out if a US person was found to be hacking - say - Venezuelan government?

The US has long ignored international pleas for internationally wanted criminals within its borders to be extradited for trial, even in the case of international terrorism.  I agree the man should not be extradited to the USA, but only in light of the whole picture, not because he is a hacker.  Hackers can cause all manner of problems including escalations in international tensions.  Besides which, they are often  a pain in the arse!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder how this would pan out if a US person was found to be hacking - say - Venezuelan government?


I rather suspect that this is a rhetorical question to which the answer is that they have to be caught at it. I cannot believe that there is not a whole army of Americans performing their dayjobs doing precisely that (and not just in Venezuela).  It would be niaive to believe otherwise.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attrebates:  I know of a company called: Choicepoint in the USA>  enough said in relation to 'elections' and also Venezuela.  Look them up also in relation to Katherine Harris and the Floida election in 2000.  Naughty, naughty, naughty ...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting post and subject……..

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Hacking is a crime.  If it were any other crime he was accused of would he also be expected to be extradited?  For example, if it were him who stole into the main bank vault in New York and swapped a load of real gold for fake gold (as happened a short while ago)?


-then later on …….

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I agree the man should not be extradited to the USA, but only in light of the whole picture, not because he is a hacker.  Hackers can cause all manner of problems including escalations in international tensions.  Besides which, they are often  a pain in the arse!


Technically, I would call that a slight contradiction, and it would appear that you seem over argumentative with block67 (looking over previous posts), as well as a few others on this forum.

Geddi, why does you IP address change a lot??????

Anyone heard of “ethical hacking”? Its harmless fun.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

agent smith wrote:
Interesting post and subject……..

Technically, I would call that a slight contradiction, and it would appear that you seem over argumentative with block67 (looking over previous posts), as well as a few others on this forum.

Geddi, why does you IP address change a lot??????

Anyone heard of “ethical hacking”? Its harmless fun.
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Apart from attacking Geddi, are you adding anything to the debate? I'm not quite sure how use of different IP address affects anything?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

- just to keep things updated:-

http://www.orange.co.uk/news/tops...er_pos_1_link_5&article=index



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7846442.stm

- I still think he should be allowed to stay in this country for any trial or sentencing. Either way, what he did does not warrant extradition, or the possibility of serving several decades in an american prison.
Surely the yanks would be better off saying," hey, you breached our crap security, do you want a job so it doesn't happen again?"
......or should they just patch things and hope some "brighter" terrorist organisation doesn't gain access?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the news today:

The Mayor of London has attacked Alan Johnson over his handling of the case of Gary McKinnon.

Home Secretary Alan Johnson came under fire after he said that Mr McKinnon was accused of hacking into computers 'shortly after the attacks of 9/11 which killed nearly 3,000 US citizens'.

Mr McKinnon, who suffers from Asperger's Syndrome, is wanted for trial on charges of hacking into US military networks.

His supporters say his only crime is being a 'UFO eccentric' who searched for evidence of extra-terrestrials.

The Mayor of London described Mr McKinnon as a 'classic British nutjob' who should be protected by the Government.

He said if the allegations against Mr McKinnon were true: 'The Americans shouldn't be threatening him with jail. They should be offering him consultancy.'

- my sentiments exactly!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you should remember a couple of years ago concern was raised over the extradition of the so called "Nat West 3" to America.

This is another example of the use of an extradition law introduced in response to 9/11 and all that.

It is used by the USA to extradite anyone they choose terrorist or not.

The figures, I understand show that they (USA) have extradited many times more than they have allowed to be extradited.

This is the same sort of legislation that our local goverment has used to snoop on all of us over the last few years. Its 15 years past 1984, but this could be the start of the new era!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The constant changing of IP addresses - in my experience - indicates the use of masking software, often a free download, and is frequently used by internet trolls.
Several forums to which i belong or operate personally use tracking software to record IP addresses and identify trolls. masking software is used to get round this but doesnt work over a long period as it soons becomes obvious that masking software is being used.
In the case of one persistent malignant and abusive troll I have recorded two sides of A4 IP addresses.
The same person hacked into the admin section, password protected, of one forum and posted some posts from there in open forum in a vain attempt to cause discord.


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