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Block67 · Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:16 am Post subject:

Well put Bear, it will be interesting to see how mr.PC comes back to you on this one Big Smile

Geddi · Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject:

Bear: I am also from Gt Manchester, Salford in fact, so I know of the ancient animosity between scousers and Mancs. I am also aware of the idea that kin comes before all and loyalty spirals outwards from this place, and therefore by extension includes the same race eventually.

I am also aware that there are some, shall I be very generous here and call them 'misguided idiots' who think they are very 'right on' when they shout down the call for true equality such as you describe. I have experienced this for myself years ago. I attended a very green festival and I wore a Tshirt with an England emblem on - three lions and a shield. I was accosted and assailed by some young woman who was insisting I must be the devil's own spawn/BNP/Neo Nazi for wearing such a thing. I tried to reason with her that I was wearing this thing as I was very poor at that time and had actually rescued it from a rag bank from whence it was destined to be shredded. She wanted none of it and ranted on and on. I glanced around and began to get annoyed. I imagine those who know me just through these pages here are already amused, ME being accused of being racist / white nationalist, which is what was essentially happening. I was not amused and finally told her so. I also told her that she ought to be very careful about what she said and to whom. I saw Irish tricolour flags and Jamaican flags and a whole load of others which were cool to fly, yet me, with my own nations flag, in the country where the event was taking place, was accused of being racist.

I have since then been more acutely aware of who I am with regard to country. I am English. She was wrong.

There is another point here. The point of intent. I speak with people who use nasty language with deliberate intention of being crass and offensive. I find that offensive if it is aimed at something about the person they can not choose. Below are things we can choose -

Religion, politics, attitude, life style, footie team, hair style (to a degree - I am bald so severely limited) clothes, etc.. ALL of these are fair game for derision and comment.

Things we can not choose include:

Sexuality, sex, colour, birth place, height, stature, size of ears/boobs/nose, etc. and should only be considered to be fair game by scum bags and bigots.
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Block67 · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:09 am Post subject:

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Chatting to a lady yesterday who is a school teacher in surrey .and she was telling us how a irrate father came in and had a go at her because she asked this child to remove a band .
what she didnt realise was that it was part of there religion.
when she asked the boy what the significance is the band to the religion he told her he didnt know but daddy said never to take it off.
in pe all children due to health and safty are not allowed to wear any jewerly .apart when it is for religion yet a english child would not be alowed to wear the cross Evil Mind

i hate the way some people force a religion on there kids.
i even know someone who kicked there own duaghter out at 16 simply because she wouldnt commit to being a jehonah witness.
children should learn all religions then make a choise of what or who to follow if any when they are old enough to understand them.

Geddi · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject:

Block: It's not my opinion that religion is a choice, it is a fact.
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Block67 · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject:

Ged,

Geddi · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject:

Block: I take your point that some people swallow dogma, hook line and sinker, and that family pressures can be almost irresistible. It is still their choice to stay that way as adults or to decide they are not interested and to change. Any belief system is a matter of choice.

I even believe that taste in foods is a matter of choice, to a great extent, though I can not claim this as fact, as opposed to food allergy or intollerance which is a clinical condition. Vegetarians choose to be so, omnivores alike choose. Coeliacs do not choose to react to gluten.

I know what you mean and am not trying to simply gainsay here. As adults, we have choices we'd rather not make and it is usually easier to go along with what has gone before, especially if family places pressure to do so. This does not mean we are not able to choose, simply that we choose to take the easier, most obvious option.
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Block67 · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject:

Putting this back on track, Proposed travellers site. Why not? - because the majority does not want them here on a semi permanent basis, and, guess what, democracy is alive and well, Calne isn't having any!
I'd say this thread has run it's course and is diversifying too much now. Big Smile

Geddi · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject:

Block: it's not democracy but beauracracy which means the sites looked at will not be chosen. There are now a load of private sites to be considered.
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Block67 · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject:

good, time for a new thread then............................