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Geddi · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:34 am Post subject:

Thank you Block: I do recall the subject of this string. I ask you make a point on that very subject and to cease badgering me, if you can.

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rosco · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:45 am Post subject:

I was wondering on the subject of this topic too I confess. :shock:

I don't see a problem with breast implants on the NHS (or breast reduction) if they are to help a woman get over severe pyscological issues due to breast size, or to correct some medical issue that has left her with mis-shappen/unequal breast.

Doing it just because you think bigger women have more fun is not a reason enough - to be honest, I don't think that many are performed on those grounds.

Geddi · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:01 pm Post subject:

Roscoe: None are performed on those grounds, except that if a woman is 'depressed' because she has small breasts, or her breasts have changed shape due to childbirth and/or pregnancy then I am not for it at all and it is this which I consider to be a waste of public funds.

Imagine guys who were upset about the size of their penis wanted to get an extension on the NHS, or balding for that matter and miserable as sin. Would we then have to get into penis extensions and hair transplants to alleviate that? As it is, both of these are only available for very tight circumstances. The former for men who suffer an unfortunate problem where the penis does not develop from being a child sized member and can not function as an adult penis. The other is after other reconsructive surgery after accidents or serious operations and such.

One of the women I know is a porn model and had her boobs done on the NHS claiming she was miserable and depressed etc. Another was at her GP every other month claiming on thing was making her unhappy after another. First, she was too fat, so he gave her pills to help her slim. Next she was too skinny, so he gave her others to help her put on weight. What the girl needed was some focus in her life and to either get off her fat arse and do something with her life, or to stop taking speed!

For reconstructive surgery after mastectomy or serious trauma, I have no objections at all. For psychological reasons I have no pause or hesitation in saying NO! It will not help the person with the psychological disorder to become well, it will merely move her psychological issues into a new arena. She will find something else to be unhappy about.
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Block67 · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject:

- breast reduction (more so than implants) for women with pschycological problems is NOT a waste of NHS funding.
Women with large breasts are frequently stared at, and most find it embarrassing, and some do get clinically depressed about their situation. In addition, some women also develop back problems.
Regarding implants, in some cases pschycological problems DO justify having treatment on the NHS. Some women with little or no breast also can end up clinically depressed about their stature, and have little or no confidence at all.
Surely if a womans well being, mentally and physically, can be improved by a simple operation, then to me that is not a waste of NHS funding, especially as not only they would have a better quality of life, those around them would too.

rosco · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject:

Block67 · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject:

thanks rosco, most of my family are from medical backgrounds.

Geddi · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject:

I have no problem with breast reduction on the NHS to alleviate back problems and other problems.

I do note that you two men have not answered my question as to other psychological problems - baldness, penis size, etc.. Will you now tell me this is all well and good and should be included? If so, it tells me more clearly than ever that the NHS is long overdue an entire refit or perhaps abandoning altogether!
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Geddi · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject:

No-one seems to disagree with me about research being spent on extremely rare diseases. It seems that even Block, with his family's background of medical practice, is more keen to discuss breasts implants!

This figure of 1500 per annum was merely an example. Can we broaden the debate here a little chaps?
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Block67 · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject:

Regarding the very first post on this discussion:
1: women's breasts - already covered.
2: Fertility treatments - I have a mixed opinion on this subject. For a couple without kids, then I would say that it would be deemed only fair for those in this unfortunate situation to have at least one child through medical intervention. However, I do not agree with some of the more eldery mothers, or single ones getting this kind of help. There should be an age restriction having read some of the press in recent years.
3: Researching rare conditions - the more research that is done, the more people understand, and the more can be done to help people with these conditions. As a whole, the populous is living longer and increasing in number, and rare conditions are becomming more common place.
4: Keeping people alive with "expensive" drugs when all quality of life has already gone - we do not have euthanasia (rightly or wrongly) in this country. Who can say when a cure or treatment will be found that can give these poor people a better life? My own father was in a coma for nine months (back in 2000) and was kept alive with drugs and machines after a brain haemorrhage. He is now confined to a wheelchair and has little or no motion down one side (similar to a stroke victim), and cannot talk as he thinks for very long. Despite being asked permission to turn off the machines, the answer was always no, and my father has surprised the medical staff as they didn't even expect him to come round let alone talk. Does he have a quality of life, yes.
Alzheimers is another tragic condition, but research may well find something at any given time to help stall or even reverse the condition.

These are my opinions.

rosco · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:05 pm Post subject: