would you want to know ?

daffy · would you want to know ?

If the doctor discoverd you had cancer that because of your age ( 95) they wasnt going to treat it exept pain relief ,and your family knew but thought there was no point telling you even thou you was of sound mind ,and you knew somthing was wrong with you but not what ??

Local lass

NO 95 is a good age .i woulodnt want to know .

kathy27

Yes i would want to know.
My dad was 82 when he died he had a form of cancer and knew what was wrong with him, he was able to tell us his final wishes and do some of the things he had wanted to do.
The doctor explained it well it both of us and was always there to help.
No one has any right to hide something that important from the person it affects especially if they already know something is wrong. They are only going to worry more by not knowing.

Peter Dolman

I agree with Kathy, I would want to know. age should not be a deciding factor when telling the truth is concerned. There will be other factors but its will also be down to the relationships between family members.

It was bad enough for me telling my wife and children when I was diagnosed with cancer 8 years ago. They were more shocked than I was.
Currently all clear although waiting for my annual check up.

I have nothing but praise for the NHS.

Local lass

compared to some countrys the nhs is a god send and have nothing but admoration for the doctors and nurses who waork there .Hpw ever there should be limits on the people who use the nhs and untill that happens the nhs will keep going down the pan.

Peter Dolman

who sets those limits?

Local lass

our goverment who should limit it

Peter Dolman

not sure that I would trust politicians to do that job and who would you exclude?

Local lass

every one who is not a uk citizon for a start i would stop those that come here just to use the nhs.

GTB

If you had to streamline the NHS you could start with the obvious and then make the harder decisions.

1. All non-Commonwealth persons
2. Restrict to just the British Isles
3. Restrict to just the people who have actually paid in a National Insurance stamp.
4. Restrict to people who have never smoked or taken illicit drugs.

Peter Dolman

how about overweight or disabled persons?

Local lass

providing they are a uk citizon then yes havnt got a problem with that.Its not the persons fault that they are disabled .for some it is not the persons fault at being over wieght and before anyone says that they choose to over eat is the biggest amount of crap going,if you want to go down that road then why should anerexics get help they choose not to eat.
The fact of the matter is that our nhs is failing .it is a very good system no one can deny that and the people who work for the nhs do a stirling job.
It is being crippled and unless something is done about it there will be no nhs.

Peter Dolman

I think that there are 2 main issues, one of which we can & should do something about the other we cannot.

There are far to many administrators and not enough front line nurses in the system. This government is obsessed with "league tables" which in my opinion does not help anyone. (its the same in schools). If we were to cut done on the back room staff and spent the money on nursing more operations would get done and wards could be kept clean.
The 2nd factor is that advances in medicine means that we are keeping more people alive than we did 20 years ago, this costs more.

In this country we actually spend less than in others, France for example. There the state pays for 80% of costs and everyone takes out insurance to cover the difference. The French also have more benefits than we do. The down side is that it has to be paid for and its business's who pay the most.

My personal opinion is that we have a NHS which should be free for all at the point of delivery, I sound like a socialist). If we admit anyone into the country as a resident, not a visitor, then they should be able to access the NHS. In europe with the E111 we can access other countrys health systems.

Local lass

as i understaand it the e111 gets payed through are nhs .

Peter Dolman

but only up to the amount that a french resident would receive, ie 80% of the cost. At least that's as I understand it.

Biggles

dont start me on the nhs they are a bloody joke, its not a natuional health service anymore its all regional trusts all with their own budgets and one lot wont pay the other,

nhs = no hope service

as far as im concernerd

GTB

How would you improve it then, Biggles?

Biggles

scarp all the red tape and return it back to a "national" health service instead of about 60 or 100 "local pcts" each with their own budgets.

one lot wont pay the other lot for anything because it means the money goes out of their accounts its pathetic

trust me i know all about this, even been in contact with my gp tonight about it, im awating an op but swindon wont pay bristol to do it

daffy

Some great points raised here ,going back to "Would i want to know " I can understand where the family are coming from to protect there loved one from the truth ,but a great point Kathy that the person isnt going to have his final wishes granted .But i guess at 95 you are knocking on Heavens door already , I really dont know if i would want to know especially if they are not going to treat it .

The N.H.S. are stretched to the limit there are to many cheifs and not enough indians ,i couldnt fault them personly

Local lass

Peter Dolman

that may be true but we would be treated the same as a french national while in france and the same happens when they are over here.
that should be the same within the european union area.
the question "should we be in europe" is another matter.

Chepfer

I find it strange that the family know but not the patient ?!

Whatever happend to the hypocratic oath ?

Generally the patient is the only one that does know and it's up to him or her to let relatives know, if they indeed want to let them know.

Just out of curiosity does anyone know what we pay per year as individuals for the NHS service ?

daffy

I did think that strange as well the family being the first to know ,
Not sure how much we pay for N.H.S but it would be interesting to find out.