Travellers: Public Meeting

GTB · Travellers: Public Meeting

There is a public meeting regarding the proposed plans for a travellers camp at the Town Hall on Friday at 6pm (16th May 2008).

Geddi

GTB

Is that happening this week, i.e. 16 May?

GTB

Yes it is, Geddi. I have now edited my original posting to include the date.

Geddi

Cheers my dear. Will I see you all there?

Local lass

you will indeed geddi :wink:

pimpdriver

yes. I am the ugly one.

Angel

Yes Geddi I will be there smiling

pimpdriver

So Geddi, which one were you?

I was at the back in front of the main throng, in the middle of the two aisles. Wearing a brown jumper and beige trousers. I did ask a question about whether we were talking about travellers (people who don't want to settle down) or gypsies ( a race of people), but the Councillor Alan Hill didn't answer my question.

Describe yourself so we know who you are if you are prepared to stand up and be counted.

Steve

Geddi

Perhaps to my shame, I was not there. I am, as you may all realise, not opposed to the traveller's site at all. I see that by opposing this site people are giving any travellers who pass through this was what they want. most of the travellers who pass by Calne do so without comment or fuss at a rate of perhaps 100 month during Summer and perhaps half that during Winter. It is the occasional few who make a fuss, a mess and cause a palaver.

To make things a tad more clear with regards to 'types' of travellers, there are many, here's a non-exhaustive list of some of the types: -

[list=] Pykies; Romanies; Gypsies; Tinkers; Fairground folk; Showmen; Salesmen; Contractors, etc...

Now, among those who claim to be anti, how many actually KNOW the differences? Please, for gods' sake please, don't mention vardas as a key for assessment either, as any one with £7,000 can buy a half decent wagon with another couple of £k thrown in for a half decent mare to pull the thing.[/list]

pimpdriver

Geddi

Steve

I happen to know the difference between Pykies and Roms. Gypsies are a racial group in fact, not an affectionate term. they refer to themselves as Rom (in the UK), Roma in Eastern Europe and Gitane in Spain, for example.

There is a separate language, culture and tradition, as well as genetic type for Gypsies, as much as there is for Arabs, Persians or Maoris.

As for numbers of travellers who pass through or close by Calne each month, I know families who do pass by here and I know there are others who pass who I do not know, other than by site perhaps. I used to trade with some folks who pass by. I have travelled with some who pass by, and have conversed with a few more besides. Two miles East of Calne is a travellers traditional route and has been for as long as memories go back.

While you are beusy telling me what to do Steve, which I am more than able to make up my own mind about thank you very much, I suggest you actually read what I have written about the proposed travellers's site!

I am guessing as a gorgia you'd claim all you want to about anyone but your own self. Just because YOU are no traveller as a contractor does not mean they don't exist! I have worked with contractors who were as much travellers as anyone else.

They'd pull over and pitch up, work the area and move on when the contract was done. Who knows where they are now. Originally, the owners were from Italy and have a family base around Nottingham, but they go where the work is.

pimpdriver

Kizzy

Gyp·sy also Gip·sy (jps)
n. pl. Gyp·sies
1. A member of a people that arrived in Europe in migrations from northern India around the 14th century, now also living in North America and Australia. Many Gypsy groups have preserved elements of their traditional culture, including an itinerant existence and the Romany language. member of a travelling people scattered throughout Europe and North America [from Egyptian, since they were thought to have come originally from Egypt]

trav·el·er or trav·el·ler (trvl-r, trvlr)
n.
1. One who travels or has traveled, as to distant places.
2. often traveller Chiefly British
a. A traveling salesperson.
b. A member of any of various groups of traditionally itinerate people living especially in Scotland and Ireland

Rom·a·ny or Rom·a·ni (rm-n, rm-)
n. pl. Romany or Rom·a·ies also Romani or Rom·a·nis
1. A Gypsy.
2. The Indic language of the Gypsies. Also called Gypsy.
adj.
Of or relating to the Gypsies or their language or culture.

Couldn't find gorgia in the dictionary - but hope this helps everyone out as to what we are talking about

Geddi

Gorgia (or gorja if you prefer) is a Romany word for non-traveller. Nothing insulting or bad about it, just that.

Local lass

There is a huge differents between real gypsys and traverlers.

one has respect and follow there traditions whist respecting others.

the other has no respect at all,they are nothing but freeloading scum.
who take what is needed and is a law unto there self.

Geddi

Local Lass: real Gypsies are travellers! Roll eyes

Local lass

Geddi

Local Lass: I am thinking your book is a very special one just for you.

Block67

Traditional Gypsies, fine no problem, most are polite, and clear up after themselves.
New age travellers, pykies, and wannabe gypo's are just opting out of leading a normal life, primarily to get out of paying taxes like the rest of us normal working folk. Some thieve, nearly all leave rubbish and excrement where they were sited, and, forgive me if I am wrong, nearly all do not work, or if they do they don't pay taxes and are probably claiming benefits.
Ps, I think that Local Lass's book has reached the majority of sensible people in Calne!

Geddi

Block: your personal attack on me has not gone un-noted.

The ignorance with which the question of Gypsies and travellers is being handled with is astonishing. I am not about to repeat myself in words of fewer syllables so some can keep up who do not seem to grasp the underlying flaw in what they claim as fact.

1. Not ALL of ANY particular group of travellers, gypsies, gorjas or otherwise are any one particular way.
2. Not ALL stones are round.
3. The underlying truth of both 1. and 2. are equally valid.
4. Denial of any of the above is simple. Just tug on another blindfold and bury your head a little deeper in the sand.

Racism or bigotry or prejudice is all as stupid. Making your own definitions for who is a 'real' gypsy is equally as stupid. Most of the people I know who travel horse drawn are NOT romany by origin! Most of the Romanies I know no longer live in Vardas.

If you are going to make comments about a subject, at least get some idea of the subject!

Top Dog

Local lass

Angel

I know I am new to this site (feel free to tell me to but out or mind my own business if you like) but fighting about what gypsies/travellers are, to me is diverting from our aims in Calne. We are all allowed freedom of speech but equally we all have to respect each others opinions, and we all have our own opinions, but as a group I thought we were all singing from the same song sheet (or most of us)so lets try and remember what all this is about and not fight over the differences in names. As far as I am aware Romanys the true ones arent asking for a settled site so we all know the type that are and its these ones that the petitions are all about so come on Guys lets stop the bickering and start remembering once again what the meetings and petitions have been about and all your hard work smiling

Block67

Totally agree with you Angel, well said.

GTB

Geddi

GTB: That is an amazing thing to hear about. I have never heard of this before.

Angel: Yes, you are free to have your say as well as anyone. It's what this site is for, as far as all here are concerned.

There is, however, a great difference between fact and opinion. This is what we are disputing.

Also, it is not any travellers who are asking for a site in Calne, the travellers do not want it here. It is the district council who are proposing the site.

Also, we are not all on the same page. We are not all of the same opinion and we are certainly not all cut from the same cloth, though we may have some similar patterns and/or materials and hang on the same pegs for a while!

As it goes, people are referring to the proposed site as a gypsy site. If this is so then it implies it is for gypsies. If it is a travellers site, then it implies it is for travellers. The term travellers is a wide reaching term, as mentioned earlier. The word gypsy is a specific term.

I end here on this topic.

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Angel

Yes I was told of this plaque when I moved here and also the myth that when he died a curse was put on Calne smiling

Biggles

Yeah ive heard that too and done a bit of research

In the churchyard of Mary's Parish Church Calne, Wiltshire is a tomb commemorating an unknown King of the Gypsies is set in the wall.

http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/tiwtourism/townsvillages/calne/

hope this clears it up

Kizzy

So this travellers site - if it is for ALL travellers, does that mean people who take caravaning holidays, or even the retired people who will go caravaning for several months, they will be allowed to pitch up at these sites?

They technically become travellers - as they travel up and down the UK in their caravans

Bear

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