Travellers off Beversbrook Road.......

pimpdriver · Travellers off Beversbrook Road.......

Apparently some travellers have moved into the field off Beversbrook Road, between School Road roundabout (Tesco) and the A4 roundabout (Chilvester Hill???)

The gates are wide open and there is a square of caravans etc.

Improve your security!!!

Local lass

is ne that from the country and western week end?

Chepfer

I think the country and western is by the beversbrook ground at the A3102 end of the bypass.

There are lots of travellers about ..in all the laybys allong the A4 past beckhampton ...

It's midsummers this weekend.

Local lass

seems it is true .its reported in the gazette .they can do anything about it cos they said that they are there only for ten days,also the land they are on is private property.couple of things i want to know are .....

AS ITS PRIVATE PROPERTY WILL THE TAX PAYERS OF CALNE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE CLEAN UP AFTER THESE LOW LIFES?

HOW THE HELL DID THIS HAPPEN?

WHAT ARE THE COUNIL DOING IN GETTING THESE REMOVED?

WILL THE TRAVERLERS BE CHARGED FOR STAYING THERE .?

WHY DOES THE GAZZETTE CALL THEM GYPSIES WHEN THEY ARE NOTHNING BUT LOW LIFE TRAVERLERS AND DISCFREDIT THE NAME OF TRUE GYPSIES?

Peter Dolman

have not seen them but the land refered to could be that built up area which was owned by Persimmon. the gates have always been poorly locked.
the town council have no control so its down to the new wiltshire council.
Chuck/Tony Trotman as the new Wilts County councillors what are you going to do about this?

Local lass

apprently so ive been told its the field where people walk there dogs and where every one went sleding in the snow.which is a pain in the arse as i walk my dog there

Peter Dolman

thats the area I thought it was!

djq

Local lass

appernetly pirmission own the field so why dont they kick them off.the grass in that field is well over a foot high with man made paths a round.

danny

Hi all,

I walk my dog everyday in the field they have set up camp in, I walked right past the camp yesterday and i was disgusted by what I saw. They have dumped industrial builders waste including asbestos pipes all down the slopes of the field and even more disgusting is human waste and the stench. All there waste is just on the grass not even bagged. This is only after 2 days!

Surely this cannot be allowed, we will foot the bill for cleaning this mess up. I called the council and they were not that interested as they didn't own the field.

seriously action needs to be taken asap

Local lass

the field belongs to permission homes who should by right foot the bill for cleaning it up .i also walk my dog in that field but i wont after this .hate to know what is hidden in the long grass .surley though the council must be able to do something under health and saftey .
chuck where are you ?

Peter Dolman

this is a wiltshire council responsibility inconjuction with the landowners (Persimmon)
you should all chase your new councillors, one of which Chuck is a contributor.

Wendbert

I live across the road from the field and have to say, since hearing that there were travellers, I've been more vigilant about locking my house/car etc.

I often walk across those fields with the dogs, but while the travellers are there, I'm keeping away.

A few years back some travellers set up camp there and the houses nearest the entrance to the field had damage to their property and cars. They let their dogs run wild and left heaps of rubbish and goodness know's what by the time they were moved on

danny

I've just walked past the site again today with my dog, there is no sign of the caravans leaving. All 7 still in place. They have a number of 4 wheel drive cars that are coming and going all day I guess 'on jobs' then tipping the waste they collect from the day down the slopes of the field.

I stood and watched them for a few minutes and witnessed one for the females stand there and throw black bag after black bag down the slope followed by plastic bottles. Then appeared with a bucket of god knows what and throw that down the slope. I counted at least 15 bin bags in that one session. Can you imagine how many after the 10 days they say they are here for! There is used toilet paper blowing about in the wind all over the field.

So it seems they are outside the law in private fields? They can just do as they please?

danny

Just called the local police to enquire about the legality of removing the fence and gates to gain access to the field and also for dumping industrial building waste down the slopes of the field. They have filed a report and are sending a police unit over to investigate this afternoon. Fingers crossed they will do something about it soon.

Local lass

was the betting there cars are niether insured or taxed.police wont do anything cos its private land .permission cant be happy that they are there and niether can the surrounding farmaers.might be worth giving permission a ring.

danny

The police said if they have broken the law like damaged the fencing and gate to gain entry then it doesn't matter its private land they can get them for that, they what they told me. They said they would contact Persimmon to make sure they are aware and see if they want to take action against them.

two of their cars were brand new 09 reg Audi's a TT and an A4 both top spec. Not paying any council tax/rent/taxes and not paying to dump industrial waste would help pay for those expensive cars....

rosco

It's jolly hard to read, but, having Googled just now, it seems that the relevant law is this one:

Local lass

anyone have a number for permission i reckon we should bombbard them with phone calls and see where they stand with it

danny

Persimmon homes are on 08459 10 10 11 a free number apparently

Local lass

thank you danny will also be intrested to know if they do still own the field

rosco

Here's some recent government guidance too on the subject, which is what linked me to the earlier law post: http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/briefings/snsc-01127.pdf.

GTB

If they are dumping hazardous waste such as asbestos then surely the environment agency could be called?

Has anybody got any photographs of this site so far?

danny

I have just driven past the field and they have gone!!

Just for the clean up to happen now...

GTB

I wonder what sort of mess they have left the tax paying public of Calne??

Chris P Bacon

If its true and they have dumped Asbestos waste then dont go near the place, it should be reported to the local authorities asap. Asbestos waste is highly dangerous and needs to be disposed of by specilist contractors.

danny

We think the land is privately owned by persimmon homes so they will have to foot the bill. I informed the wilts council and the police that the waste could possibly be asbestos, it was a fair number of very old water drain pipes the paint they were painted with could well contain lead if it is old.

Face It · Travellers calne Beaversbrook

After a difficult weekend in my street, finding the travellers was the straw that broke the camels back.
Having been woken by noisy yobs on there way home early sun am i got up to find that my flowers pots from outside the house had been stolen! I later found out that the scum had been on a spree and had taken many of my neighbours pots and baskets. Would love to get my bloody hands on them. (i do not think this was down to the travellers) Anyway

I saw over the weekend that they Pikeys had moved onto the land.
First thing Monday morning i rang Persimmon and asked them what they were doing about it? there reply to me was "we do not know anything about it" i had indented to call Persimmon as there are a number of issue with the Lansdown Park estate that are a cause for concern, one being lighting and two being the general up keep and maintenance of the park or l should i say lack of it.
I also aired this with them and asked them why the land had not been secured adequately? the estates manager from persimmon could not give me a answer and assured me he would visit the Lansdown site on the Tuesday and get back to me in due course.

I then called and spoke with Howard Marshall (town mayor and newly elected lib dem counsellor) and aired my concerns regarding the Travellers and the issues on lansdown once again un aware of them moving in over the weekend. He told me he would take this up with "Chuck" and again would get back to me with a answers.

I also spoke with the local newspaper and this provoked quite a reaction on there website with various pots back and fourth and lots of them bearing no relevance, the newspaper asked for persimmons comments to which they replied "they would not be taking action to remove the gypsies"
At the end of the day persimmon should be held accountable and they do have a duty of care to the people of calne.
The did not secure the field and still have not secured it, it is a pikeys dream to just roll up and find it open.
If there is asbestos then people are right in the fact that the environmental agency need to be informed as it is carcinogenic (related to cancer) and removing it will not be cheap. Same for the human waste there is a risk of hepatitis and god knows what else.

People on the Gazette website have posted about the comments being Racist by referring to them in this way and taring them with the same brush as past pikeys, Balls!!!!!! they are what people say they are and live up to there reputation of scum bags.
They have no respect for the law or the countryside and its residents.
I fear that unless we all stand together on this one it will be swept under the carpet and it will not be long before it happens again. Last time when the council proposed the gypsy sites the majority of calne stood together and showed fantastic support by arranging petitions etc. Persimmon need to act now and get the land secure so this cannot happen again.
Had they forced entry they would of had to go within 48hrs.

Does anyone have a picture of the site and mess they left?
I would erge all of you who walk down there to stay well clear until it is deemed safe.
Ring Persimmon and voice your concerns on (01666) 824721.
Had they been developing the land then there attitude would have been allot different.

danny

Looks like the comments have been removed from the gazette and herald site. I did read them the other day and saw the replies claiming racism against gypsies?! I bet they wouldn't be saying that if they moved to a field across the road from them!!

I'm sure if the gypsies/travellers took care of the land they were on and cleaned their mess away I'm sure people wouldn't feel so badly against them. They have treated that field worse than the animals!

I will try and take some photos of the mess tomorrow

GTB

Welcome to the forum, Face It.

There is still plenty of comments on this Gazette link: http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk...Gypsies_move_on_to_land_in_Calne/

It would be good to get some photographs of how they have left the field to show people exactly what sort of low lifes they are.

I'd be interested to hear what Chuck's point of view is on this subject.

Local lass

chuck was on earleier but made no comment?
the field is well used for dog walkers so i for one would not like it to be totaly secure.
permission who own the field has yet to turn the land back to the council when they do do this will the council make sure that there is no rubbish and pipes in the field.
or the council /we will be lumbered with a huge bill .
we do need to stand together on theses so called traverlers .i refuse to call them gypsies because they are not.
Danny if you could take photos that would be great and would show what these scum leave behind.
traverlers are certainly the last thing calne needs and i would think even peter would even agree with me on that one

GTB

danny

Interesting discussion on the gazette and herald site, where have the pro traveller/gypsies supporters gone now they know what the state of the field has been left in?! They have all gone quiet now surprise surprise.

PM me you email address and I will mail some photos tomorrow

Peter Dolman

GTB you are correct in your comment that this land is private and technically anyone walking their dogs or sledging as my wife and did earlier this year are trespassing. We have no automatic right to access that field.

It is not a field that will belong to the town or any other council unless Persimmion give it away. Being made up land its use is limited and its outside the town's building line, at least for the moment so unlikely to a building opportunity for some years to come.

Persimmion are at fault by not securing the field as there has been other occassions when travellers have spent time on this field. It can still have restricted access by way of a stile to allow walkers access but stop unwelcomed guests.

Come on Chuck, I know you have a busy schedule attending all these training sessions, I hope they provide a good lunch because its costing us rate payers at least £35,000, this is something you could have shown us your metal.

Local lass

nickcordery

If Persimmon are considered at fault for not securing the field then surely they must be forced to pay for the clean up and not the council taxpayer?
Many farmers are placed in the same position by flytippers of fridges and asbestos etc.

Peter Dolman

this is private land and it follows that Persimmion the owners will be responsible for cleaning it up. although its down to them when they actually do it. they might decide to leave it like that to stop other trespassers (dog walkers?) entering the site.................

nickcordery

I believe that the council has powers to require the company to clear up, failure to comply and the council can do it and bill the company, failure to pay - wind the company up!

Peter Dolman

I am sure thats not going to happen, even if it did the process could take some time!

Which council would you be refering to, its not the Calne Town council as I believe the land is within Calne Without Parish council.
So it would be calne without or the new wilts council not sure where the new councillors are. Chuck was on everyday but we not heard from him recently.

Face It

Gazzette and Herald have updated the story and persimmon said that they have left no mess!!!!! there having a laugh.

Local lass

danny did you take the photos

danny

Photos from the field, I did some close up shots of the asbestos pipes they left.

A warning for the dog walkers there is quite a lot of human feces on the field.

Local lass

Local lass

The above are dannys photos hope you dont mind .i thought they were easier to see like this

Local lass

SHOWS WHAT SCUM THEY ARE

Local lass

SO WHY CANT THEY GET DONE FOR FLY TIPPING THEN ?
if i was to chuck all my rubbish in a field then wouldnt i gvet done?

danny

Thank you thats much better than a link!

How can Persimmon say they left no mess?! Unless they went to the wrong field!? I wouldn't be surprised

Maybe the supporters of these 'people' on the Gazette and Herald site would like to come over and clear up their 'friends' mess? I'll be happy to show them where is it.....

nickcordery

Be thankful that they didnt do a "Minety" trick on you

Local lass

so very true nick.

danny

Quick update, the mess has not been touched and still there today. The entrance to the field has been secured! A small digger created a mound of earth blocking the length of the opening at the fences either side of the gates.

The issue now is how will they get in to clear the rubbish?? Also 2 or 3 times a year they cut the grass, not sure how they will do that now?!

Local lass

might be worth ringing permission up and asking them
if there no joy then ring inviroment of health about concerns regarding asbostos pipes

Chuck

Persimmon were waredn about the fence breaking and well now they will have to foot the bill

It's a sad day though and pretty poor on those who dumped the rubbish

Chuck

Local lass

chuck if i dumped all my rubbish in a field i would done for fly tipping ,if i was to crap all over a field i would get done for indecency so why arnt they?

pimpdriver

The travellers may all get asbestosis

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Asbestosis/Pages/Introduction.aspx

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