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http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk...l_front_steps_back_from_march.php

The national front want to set up a office in chippenham.
How would you feel if this was in calne?

WeAreSTFC · Re: The national front

Local lass

i wouldnt see a problem in it.
its like the woman who refused to let her daughter go in a taxi because the firm had been taken over by a bnp or something .thats just a huge over reaction.

Bear

I have to say that even if you dont agree with their policies you have to agree with their right to political expression within the scope of the law. Every time I hear someone say that this or that party should be banned I think of all the dictatorships around the world where benevolent leadership has come from a party who banned other parties and realise that there havent been any. Think about it.

Geddi

I have to agree with Bear here. I have campaigned against the BNP prior to an election in Calne where Mr Robert Baggs was standing as BNP candidate. I have also had both personal and professonal correspondence with Mr Baggs about other matters and have no problem with that at all.

To ban an organisation is threefold bad:

1) it will drive that org under ground where it is tricky to see what it is up to or who its members are.
2)it lends the org a certain 'outlaw' status which can be very attractive to younger and easily influenced people.
3)it means we have even narrower political choice and no meter with which to measure public reaction to main stream parties.

There may also be other reasons why not to ban them, but I can't think of any right now.

Voltaire: "I may not agree with what you are saying, but I will defend you right to say it with my life."

GTB

Voltaire was a clever man alright! :wink:

Local lass

At least the bnp has the balls to say what every one else is thinking and throws pc out of the window.

Robert Baggs

Be careful not to confuse the National Front with the BNP, as they are most definitely not the same.

The NF are a very small hard-line group who make no impact in the political arena, whilst the BNP are a growing political force that, it is hoped, will tomorrow show that there are a great many people who are fed up with the big three parties and the state of this once great country of ours and believe it is now time for change.

Robert

Geddi

I have to add to my last post that in my dealings both personally and professionally with Mr Robert Baggs I have no problem with him as a person. I did not make that very clear in my previous post.

'Local Lass'. I can not agree with you at all. The BNP is most definately NOT saying what I am saying, nor most of the people who I associate with. So when you say "the BNP are only saying what everyone else is thinking" you are very far from the truth.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that Political Correctness is way out of line with current (or any time I suspect) thinking in the UK. I find it abhorrent that a child at school can be given the morning after pill (a medication which has no proof it even works at all) yet the parent can not be told! This by a government who claim to be all for family values (but I suppose they all claim this). I also am aware that the most famous politically correct person in history was Adolf Hitler! He was also vegetarian, anti-smoking and tea-total. Scary really when ya think about it.

National Front and BNP are different, but unfortunately they are inextricably linked, mainly with the idea of racism. It is sad but true that both have been involved in racism and anti-social behaviour.

In Calne, I know that I find Robert Baggs to be infinitely less racist, and far more genteel in his conversation than other local councillors who stand for other parties (you know who you are you foul-mouthed overweight monstrosity!).

I am not even certain why the BNP or National Front would wish to make a stance here in North Wiltshire where we have a relatively low % of non-whites and also low % of recent immigrants. Can anyone explain this to me please?

Robert Baggs

Thanks for your kind words Geddi, I'm glad I don't fall into the monstrosity category! :lol:

I know we will never agree politically but I think your question is a little biased with regard to why the BNP feels it needs to stand in Wiltshire when there is no immigration problem.

I am sure you are aware that we have as wide a range of policies as any other party and this can be confirmed by looking at the web-site www.bnp.org.uk.

Very briefly, I believe the BNP to be the only party to stand against the mainstram parties attempts to destroy the fabric of this country and those things we were once admired for. You only have to look at crime, the NHS, education etc. Immigration is but one element in all of this.

At the end of the day I don't think any other party has the interests of Joe Public in their mind, their politicians are only out for what they can get.

Chepfer

Perhaps them being here, has nothing to do with racial issues ...... seems they actualy want to do some good about the place, they certainly get off there asses and make an effort Unlike one certain councillor, who don't even bother attending certain meetings "she" should be present at !.

And yes ....... i "usually" vote Cons !

Geddi

Hi Robert, I was not aware my words were kind, rather they are honest. To be fair, I am aware of many of the BNP policies and have read some of the literature which comes around from time to time. Some of the policies I have found to be of sound principal and do the party justice, unfortunately, they appear to overlap with other parties, e.g Green Party policy and are tainted by the rather aggressive manner in which race, immigration and asylum are dealt with.

There is a wealth of extra-ordinary bias within the BNP and this shows clearly from within their website and all of their literature. Countless quotations of incidents all round the country which involve asylum seekers, immigrants, non-whites and all. It's actually quite a thing to behold when you look at how much work has gone into 'proving' how bad all the above are as a group. What is missing is relevant stats for similar crimes in same areas of white Brits.

The political spectrum in the main stream is extraordinarily narrow compared with most of European countries. New Labour and New Conservatives are only there to pass as figure heads for international corporations who will screw every last penny and every last ounce of individualism and sell us back morality and bias in a can or a plasatic box! There is plenty wrong with this country, but the problems do not stop (or start) at our borders.

Green party involvement in Germany in 2002 and 2003 played a major part in keeping German troops out of the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions/occupations. The green party also played a major role in getting government grants for over 200,000 houses to be PV (active solar) panelled. The amount of household refuse being recycled in Germany now exceeds 50% due to Green party actual involvement, and Germany's economy is not unduly suffering by comparisson to our own. We don't need to goose step to resolve many issues, but we don't need to bury our heads in white sand either.

Geddi

Hey Chepfer

I like your version of English - 'asses' - can anyone become Americanised (sorry, Americanized) or do we have to sell our souls (<--say last 2 words out loud and fast) first? :?

Chepfer

He he Geddi, Sorry "Arseholes" ........ Think thats the regional way of spelling it ?.

Geddi

Aaarrrrr ... Now I gotcha! :idea: :wink:

rosco

Peter Dolman

Geddi at this early time on a bank holiday monday I really enjoyed reading you comment about foul mouthed overweight local councillors. It set me thinking about who you could possible mean?

I have to say the majority of the Town councillors are genuine people who want to give something back to their town. But you are right about a couple of them who are "school" thugs who throw their toys out of the pram if they don't get there own way.

Although I could not vote for the BNP I would like to see Robert Baggs as a local councillor and have called on him to renounce his ties with that party many times. I believe he has Calne's interest at heart. He is a Calne man born and bred not like some councillors who have lived in the town for "5" minutes.

Chepfer

Here... Here Peter !

Local lass

Thats the thing though robert has lived here and has seen alll the changes of calne ,good and the bad.
you are right about councillors only living here five minutes then thinking they know exactley what calne people want. :roll:

Sticky · BNP

Not something I ever thought I would hear myself say but if this Gypsy site gets the go ahead it will be something worth seriously considering as they seem to be the only people that will really take the necessary action!

johnnyjoeydeedee

"necessary action" being what, exactly? :shock:

paul simpson

i agree with the BNP this country needs change its a pity we didnt listen to enoch powell in 1969 may be we would be a great nation once again.
and not a laughing stock or a dumping ground

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