GTB
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Studley Crossroads!How long before someone is killed or seriously injured as a result of the dangerous nature of the Studley crossroads? If you are trying to pull out from either the Studley or Derry Hill roads onto the A4 you either have to wait for a good 5+ minutes for a suitable gap to appear in the traffic or you take a chance and pull out onto the main road. With the new housing going up in Derry Hill this situation is only set to get worse. There was plans at one stage to build a large roundabout on these crosswoads but nothing seemed to come of it?
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Local lass
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The roundabout can never happen because they would have to knock down one of the corner houses.
traffic lights would be a very good idea there as more and more traffic is using those cross roads.
fortunatley there seems to only be minor shunts happening.
One of the main problems i find is if you are coming out of studley and turning left towards calne with the way of that turn you natually go slightly over the white line into on coming traffic.
another situation is if you come out of studley and want to go right towards chippenham and there is a car coming out of derryhill wanting to go left into calnewho would have right of way if the road was clear?
through the years there has been deaths on that road but not half as much as down by the lysley.although now they have adopted a 40 mph it does seem to have stopped it.
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GTB
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There was plenty of room for a roundabout before this new housing went in. The roundabout would serve not only as an aid to the congestion but also slow the A4 traffic as well, it's nothing to see a car pushing 90+mph along that particular stretch of A4.
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Local lass
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Why wasnt the increase of traffic there considered before those houses went up.?
the problem with the round about is that they would have to also speed limet the road to the lowest mph on that road which would be 50mph.
traffic lights like they have in lacock would be a better system there .
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GTB
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It will probably end up with traffic lights - but only after someone is killed. 
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Local lass
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isnt that always the way though.you only have to look at the traffic lights on the a4 for that one.
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Chepfer
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My Wifes gran had a near fatal accident there 7 yrs ago , she was in frenchay for a year.
The garden centre has been sold to Manor garden centres (theres a big one in swindon) with the land still being held by Mr Lansdown. I think the plans for the new centre had to incorrporate a new road system if the centre was to be remodeled as planned.
Her gran is fine now by the way, she's 90 but has never been able to walk properly since the accident.
Even a 40 mph zone would help from the soho to the lysley.
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Local lass
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The garden centre has been sold to Manor garden centres (theres a big one in swindon) with the land still being held by Mr Lansdown. I think the plans for the new centre had to incorrporate a new road system if the centre was to be remodeled as planned.
do you mean lord shelborne?
more than lightly he will built more house on that land and destroy another village.
Derry hill was once a lovely little village now it is no different to the estates in calne and for what/??
a hotel :evil:
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Bear
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| Local lass wrote: | Why wasnt the increase of traffic there considered before those houses went up.?
the problem with the round about is that they would have to also speed limet the road to the lowest mph on that road which would be 50mph.
traffic lights like they have in lacock would be a better system there . |
Unfortunately Local Lass the only thing that seems to have ben considered when building those houses has been, how much land can we use and how many houses can we squeeze onto it. Who were the faceless planners and what criteria to they use for allowing a planning application to go ahead. Does anybody know ?
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rosco
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Just improving the signage would seem to be a reasonable easy/cheap step to take: it's not at all apparent that there's a junction there when go you towards Calne until you come right on it. Some big ones with a yellow fluorescent background and some slow-down strips painted in the road surely can't be that expensive/difficult to add?
Things such as altering the speed limit would take a while to get approved, and more radical changes (such as traffic lights or a roundabout) would probably adversely affect the traffic flow too much on that road having to stop and start up again, given that the junction is at the top of a hill.
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Chepfer
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Local..... Yes i meant Lord Lansdown.
Apparently he was pretty much on his knees asking for the planing to go through on those houses.
It's the only way he can finance the new hotel and leisure complex, he wants to build at the golf club.
Unfortunatley the plans were granted but they should have had some kind of juncture on them to make the developers redesign the road junction in the process !!.
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Local lass
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| rosco wrote: | Just improving the signage would seem to be a reasonable easy/cheap step to take: it's not at all apparent that there's a junction there when go you towards Calne until you come right on it. Some big ones with a yellow fluorescent background and some slow-down strips painted in the road surely can't be that expensive/difficult to add?
Things such as altering the speed limit would take a while to get approved, and more radical changes (such as traffic lights or a roundabout) would probably adversely affect the traffic flow too much on that road having to stop and start up again, given that the junction is at the top of a hill. |
they have changed the signs quite recently on that road .there used to be a big white sign to say there was a cross roads there and where is was going now as you approach the crossroads the only sign to say that there is a right hand turn if you head towards chippenham is a small sign oppersite the junction stating studley.
the traffic lights may affect the flow of the road a little and with the hill being there can understand your concern .but what will happen if they build the houses behind the garden center on that field the traffic will become so much worse than it already is .
how many people have to die there before anything is done?
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Local lass
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| Chepfer wrote: | Local..... Yes i meant Lord Lansdown.
 ive always known him to be lord shelborne ,
Apparently he was pretty much on his knees asking for the planing to go through on those houses.
It's the only way he can finance the new hotel and leisure complex, he wants to build at the golf club.
and in doing so he has destroyed derry hill ,its a small rat run and you can hardley call it a village now.what amazes me is the fact that a high percentage of villagers did not want those houses to go ahead and yet there pleas was ignored,.
Unfortunatley the plans were granted but they should have had some kind of juncture on them to make the developers redesign the road junction in the process !!.
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so why wasnt there a plan for the road when he was given permission?
not only that but when they hold events at bowood the crossroad is made even more dangerous.
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rosco
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| Local lass wrote: |
so why wasnt there a plan for the road when he was given permission?
not only that but when they hold events at bowood the crossroad is made even more dangerous. |
You'd have thought that there would have been a plan.
They ought to have special marshals in place for events to control traffic leaving/entering properly (like they do at places like Silverstone) - redesigning the junction to cope for infrequent events like that isn't worth it.
I hope that things do get changed there for sure.
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Local lass
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They ought to have special marshals in place for events to control traffic leaving/entering properly (like they do at places like Silverstone) - redesigning the junction to cope for infrequent events like that isn't worth it.
the problem is rosco with the hotel going up there will be more events that will get jam packed.
did you see the roads when the crime stoppers day was on there was a bollods in the middle of the a4 :? ques of traffic you couldnt get down studley turning because the cars where bumper to bumper and you couldnt get out of studley either.
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rosco
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| Local lass wrote: |
the problem is rosco with the hotel going up there will be more events that will get jam packed.
did you see the roads when the crime stoppers day was on there was a bollods in the middle of the a4 :? ques of traffic you couldnt get down studley turning because the cars where bumper to bumper and you couldnt get out of studley either.
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Nope I didn't to be honest, I hadn't realised it was that bad. :o
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daffy
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there was talk at one time about putting traffic light in but the cost was to high , the amount of accidents i saw whilst waiting for the school bus there ,the worst one a car pulled out of studley to go towards calne straight in front of a moterbike coming from chippenham all you could see was the rider up in the air and the bike skiding on its side into the on coming traffic .
somthing needs to be done there its like taking your life in your own hands crossing the a4.
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Adrian007
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sounds like there has been alot changing in Derry Hill - I was brought up there - 1974 (aged 6) to 1990.
It was a great village - I wish my lads could have the sma echildhood as I did there.
Last time I viisted in the mid 1990's i was amazed that the woods were vitually untouched - in my day it was the main playing area if you were between about 6 and 15.
Ah well. It's all progress.
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Local lass
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we used to play on the net in the wood..im not sure you can go in the woods now as from studley cross road to the other side of derry hill is just one huge block of houses.
they have even flatened one of the humps in the playing field :cry:
Derry hill has trip;ed in size to what it was and is now no different than being on one of the estates in calne.
the only thing that hasnt changed is the shop its still run by sonia and simon. :lol:
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Adrian007
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What, they've flattened a hump!!
Nothing is sacred these days.
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Local lass
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only one of them .that whole field is now surrounded by houses.
it has changed so much up there and not really for the better.
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daffy
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Iheard the other day that they are also going to build houses in the field on the left hand side just before you turn left into Derry hill from the calne road ,
is this just a rumour ?
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Local lass
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i think so .from the look of it and from a local resident they are setting that road up for a roundabout.they have widened both derry hill and the studley turn outs on to the a4.
a roundabout would be good.and when the do build on the field then you certainaly will need one.
there is also talk of them building studley side behind where blonts court was.
also blonts cort nurserys are in the process of getting knocked down i really hope that dosnt go to houses.
shelborne has destroyed derry hill and i reall hope he dosnt do the same to studley.
i would like to know his plans though for the field next to the soho (the cricket/football pitchs)
as whats the betting when beever brook is completed that field will also be built on 
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Local lass
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heard today that what was once blount court nurserys in studley .which has been ripped down .is going to be like the jardinaire garden centre in wroughton.
i really hope this is true as jardenaire is really nice.and it would be so much better than houses.
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rosco
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| Local lass wrote: | | i think so .from the look of it and from a local resident they are setting that road up for a roundabout. |
Nope, I think looking at it it is just a wider junction with a bit more space for people to join the main road.
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Local lass
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its so much easier turning out of studley to go into calne nopw.
not sure why they have built the little islands in the road just pased the new bus stop.
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rosco
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| Local lass wrote: |
not sure why they have built the little islands in the road just pased the new bus stop. |
Probably as a refuge so people can cross a lane at the time from the new houses to the bus stop.
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Local lass
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its on the a4 its self.the bus stop is on the same side as the new houses.
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rosco
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| Local lass wrote: | | its on the a4 its self.the bus stop is on the same side as the new houses. |
I went past severla times this weekend and that new island is so badly situated and signed, it's surely going to be the site of a new accident I fear! :cry:
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Local lass
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it will be so much worse when those houses get fillied up .i can see someone over taking down there and going straight in to those new islands.
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GTB
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Why didn't they just put a roundabout there and save themselves several years worth of future agro?? :evil: How many dead people is it going to take for them to do something like that? That new island in the A4 is just chaos waiting to happen!
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Local lass
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| GTB wrote: | | Why didn't they just put a roundabout there and save themselves several years worth of future agro?? :evil: How many dead people is it going to take for them to do something like that? That new island in the A4 is just chaos waiting to happen! |
Thats the thing about that road though no one has died there.what was because of the cross roads.theres been a lot of shunts .
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Kizzy
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They can't put a roundabout there any way, as they would have to take over the 2 houses on the corners to make the road wide enough for a proper roundabout - a mini one wouldn't work
They need motion sensor traffic lights so they change if anyone is trying to come out of the side roads
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Chepfer
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"Thats the thing about that road though no one has died there.what was because of the cross roads.theres been a lot of shunts" .
No deaths but my gran is crippled from her accident she had there, she was lucky to live and she openly says it !
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Dexter the Flexter
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And another thing, the roadworks aren't very well laid out, I haven't been along that way for a few weeks, so it was quite a shock to suddenly have a pile of cones/signs in the middle of the road when I went to Chippenham late the other night.
They have no lights on them and are not very reflective
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Local lass
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That little island is going to be a major accident spot
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Clunk
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| Kizzy wrote: | They can't put a roundabout there any way, as they would have to take over the 2 houses on the corners to make the road wide enough for a proper roundabout - a mini one wouldn't work
They need motion sensor traffic lights so they change if anyone is trying to come out of the side roads |
Most traffic lights have magnetic coils in the road to detect cars.
If you look at the tarmac as you approach, you will usually see either a diamond shape, or a rectangular shape. This is a coil of wire that detects cars. Hence why lights don't change for cyclists often.
Temporary traffic lights have motion sensors on top of them.
NOTE: Motion sensors do not detect headlamp flashes. So flashing headlamps at roadwork traffic lights will not make them change.
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GTB
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| Clunk wrote: | | NOTE: Motion sensors do not detect headlamp flashes. So flashing headlamps at roadwork traffic lights will not make them change. |
You are certainly correct in your statement, Clunk and it's amazing how many people still do it. Me included sometimes! :oops:
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Clunk
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If you have a motorbike, put your bike at an angle. Sometimes they have passive infra-red detectors. It will help if they can see the heat from the engine.
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Local lass
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The new system is great if you are going from calne in to studley .how ever there will be one hell of a nasty accident there .the traffic islands are in direct line of your car when traverling to chippenham from calne.
going from studley across to derry hill is now very jagged.what dosnt help is all the long grass cos you cant see people coming.
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