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Speed limits

Good thing or bad thing?
Clunk

Depends.
20mph near schools or on housing estates are OK.
70mph on a motorway at 2am no need.
Some speed limits are pointless. 40 by the lysley arms. Why? Cause some kids have died there once or twice? Thier own fault, not the road. I have taken that bend in an average hatchback at 80 (Naughty, I know. But needs must.) and not had any sign of twich or drift. To crash on that road involves stupid speeds with people who can't handle that speed.
The speed limit at the top of snow hill is worth it, as the sharp right and sudden downhill is an accident recipe. What they really should do there is smooth out the bend and the brow.
At the end of the A417 dual carrageway, where you go over the roundabout, and onto the single carrageway. The 40 mph speed limit they put there recently is ignored by lorry drivers. Because it is a dip, lorrys back up traffic then take a run up down one side to make it easier to get up the other. There was once a petition to have it removed.
I agree with speed limits, but sometimes not where they are put.
Local lass

Some speed limits are pointless. 40 by the lysley arms. Why? Cause some kids have died there once or twice? Thier own fault, not the road. I have taken that bend in an average hatchback at 80 (Naughty, I know. But needs must.) and not had any sign of twich or drift. To crash on that road involves stupid speeds with people who can't handle that speed.


the reason for that speed limit was  it was a danger bend  with cars coming out of old derry hill on to the a4.
in the last 20 years there has been nerly 10 deaths on that stretch the worst being four people in the same car.
you may have gone down there at 80 miles per hour but what if something came out of the wood.a car came out of that turning ?
there is a great need for that perticular speed limit to be in force.

speed limets on the whole though some do not need to be there.
speed cameras are a pain in the back side you can quite happily chug along a moterway with all the cars  flowing see a speed camera and every one slaps on there brakes Rolling Eyes

we drove to austria and used the autobans we drove mostly 90 mph all the way and cars were behind us tooting there horn as we were to slow.they have no speed limets and yet have one of the lowest accident  rating going.

there is a need for speed limets on certain corners and speed limets should always be followed by schools .
kathy27

clunk is right its not the roads fault some kid has just brought a car that he cant handle, i think it should be you can only drive up to a certian cc until your more experianced.
surley common sence kicks in at some point, you slow down when theres a school or built up area.
Clunk

Local lass wrote:
in the last 20 years there has been nerly 10 deaths on that stretch the worst being four people in the same car.
How many were down to speed being a factor?
None.
You said yourself, people turning out in front of you.
Speed DOES NOT kill. T
he inability to handle speed does.
Lack of common sense does.
Stupidity does.
If you are a sensible driver then speed can be OK. If you are doing 90 outside a school, then you deserve to die.
Kathy wrote:
I think it should be you can only drive up to a certain cc until your more experienced
Good idea but personally, I think you should be restricted in bhp.
A 1 litre Citreon ax gti has 120 bhp. My 1.6 litre astra has 96bhp. My old LDV van's 1.9 litre diesel engine had 57bhp.
I think they should be limited to 65bhp for a year.
rosco

Speed does play a significant part in accidents, there is no way getting around that. What people often forget is that it is the energy that is involved in an impact that is crucial, this is proportional to the mass of the vehicle involved but the square of the velocity.

So, hitting something at 40mph has over 70% more energy than hitting the same thing at 30mph. Or alternatively, you have that much more energy to dissipate in your braking system to come to a complete halt.

It's all a balance between what is acceptable and what is not: a 0mph speed limit would give a near 100% safety margin (admitting that some pedestrians would still manage to trip over a stationary vehicle) but wouldn't be practical. No speed limits would rely on people's discretion on what was reasonable to them, which I think is not acceptable either.

You just have to have a reasonable limit where there is little risk of collision, and reduce it where the risk increase (uprotected sideroads, no crash barrier, many houses, children etc).
Just because a road can let you do 80mph plus doesn't mean you should if there is a significant likelihood of other road users pulling in front of you with insufficient visibility to see you.
Clunk

rosco wrote:
Just because a road can let you do 80mph plus doesn't mean you should if there is a significant likelihood of other road users pulling in front of you with insufficient visibility to see you.
As I said. Speed doesn't kill. Stupidity does.
Local lass

As I said. Speed doesn't kill. Stupidity does.

sometime they are the same thing.
you can go along the moterway in pouring rain and no matter what you will always see a car doing over a hundred in the fast lane.
rosco

Clunk wrote:
rosco wrote:
Just because a road can let you do 80mph plus doesn't mean you should if there is a significant likelihood of other road users pulling in front of you with insufficient visibility to see you.
As I said. Speed doesn't kill. Stupidity does.


You're just playing with words - both are likely factors in an accident. Someone killed by stepping in front of a car doing 40mph would have survived if they had not been so stupid to step out in front, but also if the car had been going slower (and had either hit them less hard or had time to stop/avoid them).

You have to judge on the place/circumstances where it happens: I don't think you can say regardless that always speed is/isn't to blame.
Bear

Why can we not have areas where the speed limit can be different at different times of the day. For example travelling between Calne and Trowbridge you travel down Sandridge Hill into Melksham where you come across a 30mph speed limit at the bottom of the hill presumably put in place because of the junior school which is there. Now at 8.30 to 9.00am there is a considerable amount of traffic near the school and I would suggest that the speed limit at that time is warranted as it probably is in the afternoon at the end of the school day however returning at 5.30pm with hardly a car nd no pedestrians in sight that speed limit is still in force.
Kizzy

That road is annoying coming from Melksham.  

As you leave Melksham the road becomes a 60 and after a short drive it then drops right back to 30.  When you reach the bottom of the hill it goes back to 60, and I can guarantee there will always be someone up my arse as I get near the bottom of the hill who will overtake me before the speed limit changes because they think I am going too slow.  It should remain a 30 until the bottom of the hill (during school time) there is no point having that stretch of 60 between Melksham and Sandridge, by the time you reach 60 you have to drop back again.

It annoys me when there are too many pointless speed limits on a short length of road.
Clunk

I have to say, that when I am leaving Melksham in mine/kizzy's van, I will ignore that speed limit, as the van needs the run up on the hill. If I stick to the speed limit, then I will drop to 10/15 mph till the flat bit. If I am doing 60 when leaving the 30, I am still doing 45 when I get to the flat bit.
Geddi

There was once a slogan which said:  SPEED KILLS, LET'S DIE FAST!

It was crap then and is crap now.  If a child is hit by a car and lives to tell the tale or not is nothing to do with the behaviour of that child.  Most of the time it is the speed and weight of the car which hit him/her.

Roads which allow cars to achieve speeds of over 60 mph should not necessarily be driven on at that speed.  On Braemor Road I have been a passenger in cars which have got to almost 60mph, and I have complained to the driver at the time.  Dismissive as ever as that particular driver was.  I have never used that taxi company again.

Speed limits on housing estates should be significantly reduced.  In RAF Lyneham housing estates the limit is 15 mph and there are high ramps every few dozen metres to enforce this.  I wonder how many (few) serious injuries have occurred due to this?

Those whose lives are so fraught and busy and important that they have to rush around everywhere putting others at risk and burning excessive amounts of CO2 emitting fuels are plainly selfish individuals who perhaps need to take a good long look at their lifestyles and makes some fundamental changes.  It's like smoking where others are, putting others at risk and discomfort for the hell of it and because YOU WANT TO!
Chepfer

I completely agree with the speed limit on housing estates!.

It should be reduced to 15 mph or there abouts !.

What i do find an annoyance is the complete waste of tax payers money on speed limits that really are not needed. Did you know every sign that is erected by the highways cost in excess of £1000. Have you been to Oxford recently from Swindon ..... the whole road is one big speed trap area. The road is brilliant and should be national speed limit for most of the way but it's 40 and 50 all the way ! ........

P.s I do not Speed and don't see the point, you don't get anywhere any quicker as you'll always catch up a slower moving vehicle eventually !.

If you want to speed get up Castle coombe and do it safely and have fun with it .........

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