some people are so dam disgusting

Local lass · some people are so dam disgusting

now i have a dog i quite regualy walk around the castlf fields area.
its great you get to meet loads of people.what is absolutly disgusting though is the people who do not pick up there dog crap.
some one even let there dog crap in the middle of the gateway

the grass areas are littered with it.there is bags of crap just left either onthe bridges or they end up in the river which when the river rises they get stuck on trees.
so if you do have a dog please pick up your dog crap and put it in the bins provided.
there is a law which you can get a 500 pound fine for not doing so .although i dont know any one who has done this,

rosco

Local paper said that the Town Council were going to crack down on it. I thought the fine was only £50 ,TBH.

Local lass

the signs state up to 500 quid.i thought the council was doing those that let there dog crap on the pavements.cant see them doing anything by castle fields.

Peter Dolman

Its all right passing a bye-law but its another enforcing it! Who is going to catch the miscreants and issue the tickets and then chase for payment?

Local lass

Peter Dolman

exactly the question I asked when this proposal was debated in the council chamber.
I was told that the traffic wardens could enforce the bye law but as that person is only in the town 1 day per week (and only in the town centre) they will not get to the playing fields. Another suggestion was for the PCSO's to be the enforcers but they did not want those "powers".

It appears that no matter how necessary the regulations they will not work unless they can be enforced.

soiley

I think that dog owners should pay some sort of tax or bring back the dog licence so they can help to pay for this service that non dog owners have to pay for.

I think the issue of putting it in a bag and then just throwing it in the bushes is disgusting and is turning the parks and gardens into an embarrasment

Come on dog owners

rosco

Local lass

not sure that would work bringing back rthe liesence cos then you would also have to look at cats.

Peter Dolman

don't start me on cats, at least dogs don't come in to my back garden and c**p on my strawberry bed or on my carrots.

Why do cats exist they really are no good for anyone?

Chris P Bacon

I recently went to westonbirt arboretum to a doggy day, there wer hundreds of dogs of all shapes and sizes, all the owners i saw had bags to pick up the dog mess in fact i only saw one pill of dog crap and yes i stood in it

Local lass

soiley

I think that cats should have a licence and that licence should be a licence to kill for everyboby who has these blasted cats crapping everywhere.
Cats serve no purpose at all on this planet,all they do is kill then run off if you dont feed them.

So there!

jolou39

My children have rarely been able to play in our back garden or out the front because so many cats c**p in it.

I spend so much time clearing it up - it really is disgusting.

My mothers cat was always trained to use a litter box/tray so she never went in the garden - it isn't difficult!

Peter Dolman

Sorry to start a cat bashing session, I am aware that some people get a lot of enjoyment from owning a cat (if anyone can say they own a cat as they are very much a solitary animal).

While I am happy for people to have cats I don't want them in my garden or anywhere near me!

jolou39

rosco

Chepfer

The best way to deter cats from pooing your own garden is to get one of your own.

They keep the other cats away and yours only poos in other peoples gardens ....... :)

jolou39

Apparently, another option is it buy tiger poo - it really scares other cats into thinking there is a really big cat around!

Peter Dolman

Why should I have to I don't go round messing up other peoples garden?

kathy27

peter do you also moan about the bird that fly over your garden dropping things in it.......
there are ways to stop cats from messing in your garden, if you dont like it ask the owner to clear up after there cat!!

Peter Dolman

Kathy I believed that this was a forum for airing points of view/opinions and that everyones views/opinions were as valid as anyone elses.
Sorry if I have offended you.

ps do you have a cat?

kathy27

my whole point was peter was that there are ways to stop cats crapping in your garden, but your responce was why should you go and get stuff. so my point was if your not gonna do anything about it why moan about it??

one thing that might help and will not cost, half fill an empty coke bottle with water, lay it on its side in your garden, cats dont like the movement of somthing they dont know.

also yes peter i do have one cat left, and before you say it, she doesnt go out of our garden, but when she was younger she did go into next doors garden......i went and cleared up her mess!!!
as i have 3 kids and 5 dogs im used to picking up after things

Peter Dolman

My arguement is that I should not have to go out of my way to rectify a fault resulting from others actions, especially in the privacy of my own garden.

I am happy for people to have cats, dogs or any other pet (my wife has horse) but it should not inconvience others.

If I was to enter your house and use your bathroom without being invited you would rightly be annoyed, thats how I feel about cats in my garden.

Local lass

My arguement is that I should not have to go out of my way to rectify a fault resulting from others actions, especially in the privacy of my own garden.

so why do people have fences then surely its to keep other people off there property.
there are some remedys you can try peter which is cheap but can be affective.
if you have just do a new bed in your garden sprinkle powdered musturd on the soil as cats sniff before they crap also works with chilie powder.
if not that and its by a particular plane leave half a jar of open vinegar they hate the smell.

kathy i always thought that the one with coke bottle and water is because of the reflection you get on the water.

GTB

Peter Dolman

You need to see the cat in question, working all day and sleeping at night, and then know who owns it.
Not really an option is it?

Cats should be kept in the house and only taken out at the end of a lead. It will stop them getting run over!

kathy27

daffy

Horses on the roads really bug me ! the riders think they have the right to take up the road by riding 2 abreast ,horses or the riders should have public liability insurance , animals are often unpredictable however experienced the rider ,if it kicked my car or caused me to have an accident ,where do i stand ?? they should only be allowed on bridle paths or private roads .And when they start pooping all over the place !!!!

dont get me started on that one

Calne18

Your moaning about cat poo when your wife has a horse, the amount they do on the road i dont see horse owners going back with a bag to pick that up.

I think yes a license is a good idea because it would make people who get dogs for the wrong reasons think twice, if they had to have a license i bet the number of animal abuse would go down.

and also back to the subject of dog poo it is annoying but there will always be people who dont care about litering up the streets and fields what is annoying. it doesnt take two minutes to pick it up

Peter Dolman

Yes my wife like all responsible horse owners does have public liability insurance. It almost costs as much as insuring my car.

I have tried most of the ideas offered on this thread but none have done the trick so I have resorted to laying canes all over my plants which seems to be more effective.

When, not if, oil runs out and petrol is so expensive only the rich will have cars we may have to revert to horses for transport. We may all be happy to own a horse or two.

jolou39

I read that the community police will be handing out fines for the pooping.

I would be more than happy to see the irresponsible dog owners being slapped with a MASSIVE fine - at least £250 and be publically named and shamed.

During the summer the town sometimes smells so bad I feel sick - I will go so far as to say the owners should have their noses rubbed in it!

Calne18

when the oil runs out i will just cycle its all good.

Local lass

what i read was that they only intended to hand out the fines in the town center what about the rest of the town.
for years now we have seen the signs that you can be fined 500 for leaving dog crap yet have heard of no one being having this fine inforced on them.

Peter Dolman

there was a suggestion when I was a town councillor that the PCSO's and the traffic "wardens" would hand out fines to dog owners. they the PCSO's and traffic wardens were not happy to take on this responsibility.

most of the doggy offences does not take place in the town centre but as others state, it is in the estates where the majority of dog owners live.

while we all want to have all dog owners to behave responsibly its pointless introducing a law that cannot be inforced. to do so we would need to employ a team of dog wardens with powers to detain, how many would we need?
I would suggest at least 12 to provide the cover a town the size of Calne.

cost 12 x £26,000 (20k salary plus employers cost of 30%).
equals £312,000 which will equate to approx £50:00 per house.

are you prepared to pay?

you may argue that income from fines will offset the cost and yes it will, but it ok fining someone £500:00 but if they have no money then we might as well fine them £1,000,000! it is very expensive to try to recover monies through the court and even a county court judgement does not guarantee payment.

another good idea which is unfortunately not that practical.

Chuck

CPSOs and street sweepers etc all can be empowered if they choose, legislation allows for a large number of public facing Council employees. There are also cases where memebrs of the public have been 'deputised'.

Peter if its what the public want don't fight it find out how deep the feeling is and then go with it if its a really popular requirement. There is not much policing of the carparks in Calne which will mean there is not much of a visit from wardens but it can be arranged at certain times in certain concentrations to stop something the people we seek to represent want stopping.

That is what I said about prejudice if you are to do a bang up job for the people of Calne (which you have every chance of doing) then put you own thoughts to one side take the temperature of the public and represent them.

Like the Social Club at Bremhill View what were you thinking? This would be an ideal building and position to deliver a top notch North Calne Community Centre if you or I get in we need to explore that, not as I was told you had thought, knock it down, the public there are quite cheesed off and the players and footbal club built it themselves, so are emotionally attached. Sorry I do not mean to sound patronising but please remember the golden rule representational politics is just that, it is not, or rather should not be, self indulgent or, dare I say it, particularly now, Political.

nuff said,

kind regards,

Chuck

Peter Dolman

sorry Chuck but I think that you are confusing several issues here.

in 2003 there was a proposal to build on the football club and use the money raised to develop the Beversbrook sports facility. a feasible proposal.

the football club built the Bremhill View club to provide facilities for the club and to generate revenue to promote the club. the football club against advice set up a seperate committee to run the club. the football and social club committees had a falling out and as far as I am aware there is not contact between them.
I personally know many of those who built the hall, how about you?

the proposed community hall is a seperate issue altogether. the original proposal which I supported, although I never thought it was feasible, was to be built on Persimmion land by the BCA. the revised plan which I campaigned against called for it to be built on a playing field owned by the town council. the playing field was purchased for £100 by the town council in 1936 specifically as a playing field.
I received considerable support for my stance against building on the playing field, I was therefore representing public opinion!
I have also received considerable support for my campaign for the childrens playground to be built.

there are 3 halls in the North of the town available for hire in addition to the Fynamore School which is trying to generate income for its self.

Chuck I would suggest that you speak to more people to get a wider perspective on all the issues affecting the ward I live in.

What about;
Traffic calming in Lickhill Road
The Childrens playground
The state of the paths in North Street & Lickhill Road
The lack of shops in Calne
Etc
Etc

you talk a lot about me, lets here about what you will do for our voters!

the PCSO's did not want to hand out fines to dog owners they have enough to do without that!

Chuck

It is not me that has misconstrued the issue people have told me you wnated to shut the club.

As far as my delivery is concerned;

1, Lickhill Rd needs traffic calming I have found that on the doorstep.
2, There is a big need for a play area or two just no real agreement as to where this should be (and as you know there is money)
3. The roads in the new estate are bad and bottoms need to be kicked to deliver better roads there - heavens these people pay enough Council Tax regardless of who is to blame!
4, Pelican crossing(s) by Fynamore possibly 2, promised and planned for a long time ago
5, Better drop off arrangements there to stop clogging up nearby roads
6, Council Tax bands need to be looked at and there are some who are paying over the top as bands have been dropped on appeal.
7, All schools need traffic calming 20 MPH at peak times.
8, The pavement does not exist on Lickhill you live there and as a member of the public (with influence) you should have been bashing the drum
9, People are disjointed and a residents association is important to put pressure on the Council to provide these requirements.

We need shops, dentists, more money on schools, joined up thinking in Calne and to wrk with the Town Council as a team.

Peter I am a campaigner I will not let people down - politics is both in the open and behind closed doors but I have always been true to my principle which is to seek to deliver what those I represent need to do that I have to listen and act, listen and act....

You can do that as a resident, as a town councillor, or as a councillor strikes me this is my first opportunity here in Calne so if the electorate think I will deliver then I have every opportunuty to start from scratch - it also strikes me there are some who have been here a long time and not delivered much, campaigned for much, sorted much, organised much regardless of Party. If you are elected, which as I said is very possible, I hope you manage to deliver both parts of the above, listening and then ACTING.

I am and will remain a person of action, Politics bah humbug - it is about people their needs their demands and how to help them get delivery Peter I was just reporting to you what I have heard, which is a good example of your prejudice. Dump that and listen and act you will do so much better that way.

Don't ever suggest that I have not made suggestions about the latter things in your emails you have seen those suggestions in many cases and half argued against them.

That's it ol' chum you, if and when you win, will have to step up to the plate _ I KNOW I WILL and can only hope you will if it goes the other way. Stop arguing against peoples suggestions TAKE THEM ON BOARD some of them make sense you just alienate yourself I've read and watched and not said too much but you are standing in a hole, digging, and if you do that as a Councillor you will simply not serve your electorate.

Sorry I'm ranting but you have implied something I am not about inaction and I have heard and digested much so far, all of your points plus.... I will no doubt be at loggerheads with Council on some of this but hell I will give them stick given the chance, I'm not sure you have that in you (unless its your idea).

Anyway now I feel bad you are a decent bloke and perhaps I was a bit harsh, but never suggest I do not think and act on things I have thought and commented on already that is simply not being truthful and will get a similar barrage. You go back and tell residents and the football club you didn't want to tear it down cos that is what they (probably 5 or 6 people) have told me, they said you wanted houses on it, surely not, we need open spaces and community buildings so please tell me that is not what you thought and I'll styick up for you next time I hear that.

Best regards,

Chuck

Peter Dolman

but I was in agreement to sell off the football ground including the social club that is not in dispute. the plan was to build a bigger/better facility on Beversbrook. there were members of the football club who were happy with that idea. a new club was to be built to replace the exisiting one.
I remember when the football club move to Bremhill View from the Rec, there were people against that but that turned out to a move for the better.

I am aware of the majority of the issues concerning the residents of this end of the town.

the point being Chuck is that residents have different ideas and that you cannot please every one all of the time.

Chuck

We need buy in from the public and we need to consult with them so they feel part of the decision.

Of course you are right on the marginal decision front there will often be a yes and no camp but through careful consultation if the decision is right then it can be sold to minimalise the nos camp. If it can't and the no camp is greater then drop the decision we are in the job to represent people and sometimes their views may not be our own it's easier if they are so we too should buy in to what the public think.

You wear your heart on your sleeve too much Peter and just because you have lived here so long you have entrenched a view, if you get elected you may have to step out of that trench sometimes and float with the river of opinion because that is what Councillors do (you can also lead a community but its most effective if the direction you are leading is where most of the community want to go if not them part of leading is convincing them of that, or realisng that, maybe, you are wrong if it can't be done).

Pleanty of tiems you'll fight a battle for the public and lose but at least you will have fought for them and their wishes. I love to win and keep on til I do.

Anyway sorry I was a bit sharp you just cheesed me off o bit.

Cheers,

Chuck

Local lass

MODS CAN I SUGGEST THAT YOU SPLIT THE THREAD THE ORIGINAL HAS GONE SO MUCH OFF TOPIC AND THE LATTER POSTS WOULD BE BETTER OFF IN POLITICAL SECTION.

MUST SAY IM ENJOYING THE DEBATE BETWEEN PETER AND CHUCK GIVES A LOT OF INSIGHT ON WHO TO VOTE FOR,

Peter Dolman

Chuck the football club obtained approval from the Footbal Foundation for a £1,000,000 grant back in the late 90's to fund a proposed move to Stockley Lane. One would assume that they were happy to move then.
Opinions change especially with a change of personel, what may have been acceptable 6 years ago may be challenged today.

A prime example of this is the Town council of 1999 - 2003 persuading the County Council to carry out traffic calming in Curzon Street.

Perhaps you can let us have your opinion on that crass decision.

Peter Dolman

Good suggestion Local Lass.

Sophy are you going to let us know your thoughts on issues affecting the voters of Calne North.

Block67

Right, having read through the diverse comments and posts made by all, the original post was about dog crud and it not being picked up, was is not?
To the politicians for Calne amongst you, I am currently unemployed and would willingly be a dog warden (soley for Calne) to enforce this. The current dog warden who works for the council pipped me to the job (as he had worked in bath dogs home). How much would it cost, not the ludicrous amounts suggested, I would do it for around £13,000 a year quite happily, and yes offenders would be caught!
Those that couldn't afford the fines or were repeat offenders should then risk having the dogs taken off them (I dont see why a local by law cant be made).
Likewise with dogs running loose (me and Kathy have caught a few), some are simply let out by irresponsible owners, whilst others have "escaped". I presume that once the dog warden has them, then the owners would have to pay something towards the return of their dog? -if not they should, I know I would glady pay for the safe return of one of my dogs if one got out.
Return the dog licence? I think as a country we should, especially if it were for each individual pet (like a dog ID), that way some of the irresponsible dog owners would be deterred from getting dogs for the wrong reasons. Plus the revenue raised could go towards dog wardens, etc.
-that will do, I detest politics!

Chuck

I think we are all suspicious of politics ut what you said about dog wardens and licenses is political, som e will agree some not. I do not know why the dog license was abandoned it used to be 7 and 6 I went down to the Post Office to buy it as a little boy. Perhaps it could pay for some sort of ID system?

Perhaps we iwll need wardens or 'parish' doers to keep our streets clean in North Calne, that is likely to be a Town Council funtion if they choose it and ask to facilitate that for a grant. Keeping services local will be the key to Unitary if it is to work. Stopping people from doing disgusting things or clearing up the mess may well be part of that.

Chuck