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Top Dog

Should there be a D.N.A register?

In the uk.
rosco

You are referring to this idea?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7260164.stm
Top Dog

yes rosco
Bear

Why not . As long as the science is good then I see no problem with it but then again I can see no problem with ID cards but the PC brigade get all hot around the collar about it.
rosco

I voted not sure: I see both sides of the argument, and am undecided whether we really want to go down that path or not, especially as we seem already to be ahead of the rest of the world as it is with the data we hold on people.
Bear

I'd sooner we didn't have any paedophiles.rapists and murderers to catch but as long as we have then the authorities need all the help they can get to get these people off the streets.
GTB

A D.N.A database will never stop murders and rape but at least the assailant will be caught quicker.

It won't be long before somebody is wrongly convicted on D.N.A evidence. There has already been instances where a criminal has "planted" D.N.A at a crime scene hoping to divert attention from themselves in any investigation.
Geddi

DNA can be found almost anywhere.  Walk in a room, walk out again and whoever uses that room for two hours after you could be contaminated with your DNA.

The science is flawed and the more micro we get the more flawed it gets due to the ease with which DNA can pass on.

Another side to this argument is that in this country we have a long standing tradition, one which I had thought more right wing minded people would have stood for rather than against!  It is called habeas corpus.  It is called innocent until proven guilty.  It is called just cause.

In other words, why does my 15 year old son now have his DNA on the national database forever?  he has committed no crime and was merely reporting a crime against him and his friend who were attacked in Calne centre.  His DNA was taken and is now kept.  Why?  

To me this is inherently wrong and against all which is truly British.

Who herein can recall the Magna Carta?  (OK, OK, not the signing of as it was over 800 years ago.)  This gave us all rights in perpetuity and we are now throwing them willingly to an encroaching regime.

Bad enough we are the world's most watched nation with a public CCTV camera for every 12 of us, man woman and child.  We have a 'ring of steel' around London so that a man in his 80s who fought in WW2 was arrested by anti-terrorism officers for driving North from Brighton, simply because the car he was driving had been listed as being close to a protest against an arms factory near Brighton by Sussex police!  It is appalling and does not a jot to secure us.
rosco

Geddi wrote:
DNA can be found almost anywhere.  Walk in a room, walk out again and whoever uses that room for two hours after you could be contaminated with your DNA.

The science is flawed and the more micro we get the more flawed it gets due to the ease with which DNA can pass on.

Another side to this argument is that in this country we have a long standing tradition, one which I had thought more right wing minded people would have stood for rather than against!  It is called habeas corpus.  It is called innocent until proven guilty.  It is called just cause.

In other words, why does my 15 year old son now have his DNA on the national database forever?  he has committed no crime and was merely reporting a crime against him and his friend who were attacked in Calne centre.  His DNA was taken and is now kept.  Why?  

To me this is inherently wrong and against all which is truly British.

Who herein can recall the Magna Carta?  (OK, OK, not the signing of as it was over 800 years ago.)  This gave us all rights in perpetuity and we are now throwing them willingly to an encroaching regime.

Bad enough we are the world's most watched nation with a public CCTV camera for every 12 of us, man woman and child.  We have a 'ring of steel' around London so that a man in his 80s who fought in WW2 was arrested by anti-terrorism officers for driving North from Brighton, simply because the car he was driving had been listed as being close to a protest against an arms factory near Brighton by Sussex police!  It is appalling and does not a jot to secure us.


Actually, Magna Carta was an agreement between the King and English nobility: it had no impact on the general public as they did not have a vote and were not considered.

I can't quite see why your son's DNA was taken, there should have been no reason if he was reporting a crime,  but maybe something else was happening there too?

Yes, I am not very in favour of the ring of steel either: there doesn't seem to be a need for it to be there anymore in my opinion, as it is a suppression of normal freedom of movement as I understand it.
Geddi

Rosco - Taking of DNA of ANYONE and EVERYONE who is even questioned by police is standard now, as far as I am aware.  At one time it would be disposed of as and when the case was closed, except in the event of a conviction.  Now it is all kept regardless of the outcome.

The Magna Carta (1215)was a charter between King John and the Barons but it did include all persons, whether free men or not, and was that which led to our present system of trial by our peers (jury trials) and habeas corpus (maximum length of detainment without recourse to trial).

Britain has broken laws to fight terrorism before.  In Ireland in the 1970s people who were even suspected of involvement in IRA activities were arrested and placed in detention indefinitely.  This was called by the wonderful name - Internment.  It was internment which was being objected to by the protest march through Derry in January 1972, and which was later known as Bloody Sunday after British troops of the 1st paras opening fire and killed 13 people.
rosco

Geddi wrote:
Rosco - Taking of DNA of ANYONE and EVERYONE who is even questioned by police is standard now, as far as I am aware.  At one time it would be disposed of as and when the case was closed, except in the event of a conviction.  Now it is all kept regardless of the outcome.


I'd understood it to be only from people that were arrested, which is an issue in itself as not everyone that is arrested is even sent to court, much less convicted.

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The Magna Carta (1215)was a charter between King John and the Barons but it did include all persons, whether free men or not, and was that which led to our present system of trial by our peers (jury trials) and habeas corpus (maximum length of detainment without recourse to trial).

I think there was certainly something that made it unequal in favour of the nobles, but yes: it was an important document with many definitions for civil liberty and opposing arbitrarty decisions from the King.

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Britain has broken laws to fight terrorism before.  In Ireland in the 1970s people who were even suspected of involvement in IRA activities were arrested and placed in detention indefinitely.  This was called by the wonderful name - Internment.  It was internment which was being objected to by the protest march through Derry in January 1972, and which was later known as Bloody Sunday after British troops of the 1st paras opening fire and killed 13 people.


Precisely my point - only when that ended and the British government behaved more ethically did Ireland have a chance at getting the peace it now enjoys.

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