I.V.F and Obesity

GTB · I.V.F and Obesity

I see in the Telegraph a report stating that obese women will not be given I.V.F treatment until they lose weight (a certain percentage). Some doctors think that when women lose excess weight they should conceive normally after that.

Obese people seem to be the social lepers of the 21st century now that smoking is all but banned in public and on the decline - people seem to want a scapegoat for all societies ills and obese people are the targets, rightly or wrongly. They are being looked at as the next big threat to taking up bed space in our hospitals with all the ailments that come with being morbidly fat - diabetes, heart disease, raised risk of cancers, hypertension, etc. There is talk that the government will be levying taxes on all obese foodstuffs like burgers, chocolate and fizzy drinks to disuade parents from feeding their kids this sort of rubbish and seeing them the wrong side of twenty stone by the time they are in their early twenties.

Bear

Personally dont beleive anyone should be given IVF treatment for free whatever the circumstances because there are to many children in the world already. Sterilisation should be free though and encouraged.
And speaking as one who is morbidly obese and who has worked all his life and paid taxes I think I am as entitled as any other British national to treatment on the NHS for any illnesses I may have or get in the future.

Local lass

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Personally dont beleive anyone should be given IVF treatment for free whatever the circumstances because there are to many children in the world already

only a man would say that. Twisted Evil

daffy

why shouldnt a doctor ask a obese women to lose weight first if she might conceive nataurly ? isnt ivf an invasve procedure ?

Local lass

because the changes of it working are small compared to some one of healthy size.

daffy

I see now the Great western is going to get ambulances with lifting gear to cope with extremly obese patiants of 30 stone + and operating tables and beds to cope with the weight .
Iwas told by a friend of mine that her neighbour needed to go to hospitial by ambulance because she was up stairs and she needed to be carried down on a strecher the ambulance crew refused because of her weight(14 st) so they called the fire brigade to assist .Health and safty gone mad ?
In my job we are not allowed to lift over 20 kg we have got to use a hoist ,if we hurt our backs we cant claim on there insurance .

Kizzy

It is bad that the Obese are being targeted, but the government should do something to help.

For instance increase the cost of junk food and decrease the cost of healthy food.

It is mad that you can buy 20 Sausages from Iceland for a £1 but only a small Cauliflower from Sainsburys for 78p.

Healthier food should be minimal prices so families can buy large quantities without it breaking the bank.

I know families who are on budgets who buy the cheap junk cause it means the kids get fed, but cannot afford to buy healthier alternatives

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kathy27

i feed a family of 6 every day, and to be honest it's cheaper for me to buy fresh healthy food (meat, potatoes and veg) rather than junk foods.

Kizzy

I can't be that cheap

It costs me on average £30-40 per week for healthy food just for 2 people. I buy lots of veg, fruit, meat, I also buy meat free products. I am currently on a diet so my shopping bag contains nothing but healthy goods.

What I am trying to say is that if the healthier stuff was cheaper and the junk was more costly - people would go for the "cheaper" option - at the moment people will opt for the junk as it is normally cheaper than the healthier alternatives

kathy27

I can buy a large chicken in somerfields for £5, abag of potatoes for £1.98 (which will last for a couple of meals) and some veg carrots collie cabbage for around £4. so thats around £11, for a meal. Where if we have a take a way it will cost around £30.
I know iceland have some good deals on, maybe sausages £2 but most of it caters for the smaller family, so i have to buy 2 then it makes it more expensive. My food bill is around £60/£70 a week, i didnt think that was to bad for 6 every night Confused

is it?

Local lass

i would have to agree with kizzy here.
iceland is good but most of the offers are of junk food and even the frozen stuff tastes gross.
if i go in to sainburys and buy all healthy stuff then its double the price.
i could walk into icelands fill my freezer up for 50 quid .but most of it will be junk food.spend 50 quid in sainburys and you wonder what the hell you brought.
however saying that does anyone go to collins over bromham its really nice veg and meat. nd well worth the trip.

kathy27

I must just be in the right place at the right time, tonights dinner is chicken drum sticks in a sauce, home made chips peas and sweetcorn just over a fiver the lot. Even sorted tomorrows dinner, home made stew and dumpling around £7.

WeAreSTFC

Local lass

dont think it has a trailer now its on the juntion on the melksham road.

kathy27

Have you tried the one just before that on the left hand side coming from calne, they dont sell meat but there veg is lovely and cheaper than the one on the corner!

Local lass

no i havnt i think i know where you mean though.

getting back to the healthy shopping just re reading this thread i think it depends on your def of healty.
to me healthy is organic meat or free range ,fresh veg /fruit and natural products

kathy27

Healthy to me is meat and veg, home cooking, not to much sugar, although i think you have to have a bit of everything for a healthy balance. i dont tend to buy organic because for the amount i feed it is far to expensive.

Local lass

thats what i was getting at kathy Laughing

kathy27

sorry i thought you meant, like iceland stuff, fast foods and stuff! Laughing

Kizzy

For me Healthy food is Fruit, Veg, Low Fat, Low Salt, and Low Sugar, Lean meats

Local lass

i know someone who is on a budget of spending 20 quid a week for a family of four so junk food is normally the only option as its mostly buy one get one free in super mrkets.

daffy

healthy to me is home cooked and not these ready meals which are packed with high levels of salt and saturated fats ,it really puts me off buying foods that have loads of additives in or things that have lots of colourings added ,

kathy27

Yeah thats healthy to me to, good old fashioned home cooking. I used to make all my own bread and biscuits when my kids were small, they wouldn't eat shop brought ones and it was fun for them to help. not many mums have the time or know-how to do that now a days (god im sounding old again)

daffy

i also cant understand why people say its to expensive to eat heathy .
when these people are bleeting on how freash produce costs to much money ,why not bulk buy vegetables and make good old fashioned soups and freeze it if need be ,or insteed of buying a roasting joint buy good quality lean mince and make cottage pies ,lasagnes ,chilli con carnes etc .For £20 you would get more meals out of that by making them your self than you would buying these crap high in fat and salt ready meals or pizzas ,people have got lazy its much easier to just open a packet or tin than to make there own.

daffy

[quote="kathy27"]Yeah thats healthy to me to, good old fashioned home cooking. I used to make all my own bread and biscuits when my kids were small, they wouldn't eat shop brought ones and it was fun for them to help. not many mums have the time or know-how to do that now a days (god im sounding old again)[/quote]

iam also a working mum i work between 30 ,35 hrs per week i have time to make my own cakes, how long does it take to make a simple sponge ?1 hr from start to finnish ?
theres no excuse its lazyness . with all the mod cons we have now adays its not like we have to hand wash all the clothes or heat the bath water in front of the fire any more .

kathy27

Im so glad im not the only one daffy, and to be honest making your own is better value for money as for around the same price you pay in the shops for a very small cake you can make a big one and the kids can help. I love cooking and i find it relaxing.

Top Dog

The sugar pastry recipe can now be found in the food and drink section.

Chepfer

Having been through the IVF process myself and spending more than £10,000, just so we could have a child of our own !. I find it sickening that people who get pregnant just because they were stupid enough to have unprotected sex then expect us, the taxpayer, to pay for them to get rid of it.

I think people who get pregnant through stupidity should be paying for there baby killing drugs and operations and the ones who really, really want a child should be offered the chance to experiance parenthood for free (or at least be given a chance to try) from the money gained from the irresponsible ones !

Embarassed

kathy27

I completely agree chepfer, i also think the nhs would save loads of money if druggies had to pay for methadone, they got themselves into that mess, let them get themselves out of it, and most of them are still using drugs whilst taking it anyhow. I think the nhs are cutting corners in the wrong places.

daffy

Some stupid girls use abortions as a form of contraception ,or to get a council house .

Talking of druggies and methadone i was in boots in chippenham at the pharmacy counter and about 5 druggies came to the counter to have there methadone they had to stand there and drink it while jo public watched ,they looked high as a kite .
I would imagine some people would feel intimadated with this as they was stood at the counter with there purses out with the scums looking on . : Mad

kathy27

Ive seen the same thing in the pharmacy's in calne. In what is now the co-op they have a little side room to take them into. Like ive said before they got themselves into it so let them get out of it, no special treatment, or just give them an od of what they have been taking, end of problem.

Bear

Kathy whilst I have every sympathy with your point of view regarding drug addicts I think it is only fair to point out that some of them are hook at a very early age by dealers giving them free samples until they are completely hooked and then starting the sqeeze for money and it is really these scum who prey on what are in most cases just children that should be given an o.d. to remove them from society. I feel that it is important that all parents are aware of this danger to their children .

kathy27

Bear, i do agree, however kids do grow up alot quicker now-a-days and are able to say no. I have 3 kids (youngest now 16) and we were open with them about drugs and drink from the age they started to ask questions. Ive always bellieved that if a child is old enough to ask a question then they are old enough to hear an honest answer. It does come down to the parents. If they are the sort that let there kids wander the streets at silly o'clock, then there not likely to care what their kidsa are taking.

Chepfer

It sounds like we're all agreeing about the same things in principle, bad parenting and children who are suseptable to bad things because they have never been told the dangers.
It all adds up really, Be honest with your kids tell them whats right and whats wrong ...... or someone else will !.

Idea

Bear

Sorry guys didnt mean to be antagonistic its just that in my job I come across some very sad cases of individuals who have got involved in drugs and find themselves caught in a vicious circle which leads constantly downwards. I must say I do agree that it is important that parents talk honestly to kids with one exception you know the Santa Claus thing I think which should endeavour to keep that magic alive for kids a long as possible

kathy27

what....you mean santa isn't real ??? Crying or Very sad

Clunk

Who puts the presents in my stocking then?

kathy27

i'd be worried if someone put something in my stockings....especially if im wearring them Wink

I have a sack !

Bear

I was actually talking about the fact that Santa doesnt always drink whats left out for him because if he did he would be arrested for being drunk in charge of a sleigh.