how do you react

Local lass · how do you react

how do you react to people who knock on your door wanting your vote ?are you the sort who have already decided t on who to vote for so will not listen to others or shut the door on them or hear what they have to say.
i like to listen to what they have to say when they come to my door i never make my mind upon who to vote for till i know what they all stand for and want.i also like to ask how they will achieve what they have in mind (you would be amazed at how many dont have a clue on this aspect)
so what do you do?

Chris P Bacon

When candidates take the trouble to go out and talk to the electorate i feel its only fair to listen to what they have to say wheather you agree with their views or not.

I once lived in a cottage in the middle of nowhere for ten years and in all that time we only had 1 candidate call i was so impressed i voted for her. Big Grin

GTB

I would agree with that, Chris. I have seen our local Lib. Dem. candidate (a few years ago) drop a letter through my door which read "sorry I missed you" and then gave details of what he stood for. He didn't knock the door he just acted as a postman and I can only presume he was in a hurry. He did get elected though.

Chris P Bacon

I am slowly starting to HATE politics i find these days when i go to vote it used to be who had the best mandate but now its who do i trust the most.
Polotics these days---- a poor state of affairs

Peter Dolman

from a candidates point of view, I would love to be able to speak to every voter but its not physically possible.

the unitary wards are very big with up to 2,000 houses in the north ward.

leaflets are delivered by friends, family and supporters and is the only way we can guarantee to get information to the voters. we cannot guarantee that they will bother to read it.

I am more than happy for people to email, telephone or knock on my door if they want to talk about any issues that concern them.
my details are in the phone book!

I am happy to debate with the other candidates my ward in front of voters if that would help people make up their minds.

while I accept that we live in a free country I do dislike the current trend for people not to bother to vote. some of the loudest voices complaining about the way we are governed are from people who never vote!

Chris P Bacon

Agree with you peter, if you dont vote dont moan!

Chepfer

I've had 2 leaflets put through the door and neither knocked on the door.

So how do you react to that ?

Do i presume they are not interested in what i think and that they just want a vote to get in ?!

I WILL be voting but until i talk to either of them ........... find out who they are, what they want to achieve for my area, find out if they are local themselves etc etc ...... i cant vote for someone i dont know will even turn up for meeting let alone my own house .

Peter Dolman

Chepfer most leaflets are delivered by family and friends and not necessarily the candidate.

I am spending approx 4 to 5 hours per week trying to speak to as many people as possible but not everyone is in at the same time as I knock on them.

In which ward do you live and I will ask our candidate to make contact with you.

Local lass

weve had one leaflet.thats it .also should note that the one we had is great for cat litter boc lining.

Peter Dolman

my 2nd leaflet goes out his week!

I have not received any yet although I understand the Conservatives are out and about delivering one.

Chuck

Good job Peter! Saw your brother the other day needless to say unless you upset him in the next few weeks he is safe!

Enjoying it though poor ol' Labour if they put up I'd not like to be in their shoes!

Cheers, Peter I know your heart is in the right place so hopefull between us Calne North will be alright. I wonder if we'll get any others in the mix?

Cheers and once again good luck!

Chuck

Peter Dolman

Chuck which brother I have 3 living in Calne, 2 of which live in my ward so I hope that gives me 2 votes.

Charles Boase has already called on my big sister, she was not happy with "the conservatives saved the leisure centre" comment. He did not know she was my sister untill then, he has the other brother in his ward.

Labour has not had a candidate since 2003 in the Lickhill ward town council election.

I am lead to believe that Hugh Fernley-Whitinstall (spelling?) sister will be standing possibly for the greens?

We only have to wait until the 8th May for the definative list.

You should find out about the childrens playground issue in tomorrows hedger & ditcher.

GTB

Peter Dolman

more power to calnetalk.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sophy

Just to put the record straight, I am indeed standing for the Green Party in Calne North on June 4th.

Unfortunately the Greens do not have nearly as much cash to fight elections as either the Tories or LibDems, so if there are any Green Party supporters reading this who would like to help deliver leaflets, please contact me directly via the private message system.

We have some excellent policies which you can see on http://www.greenparty.org.uk/

And don't forget the European elections, also on June 4th -- our candidate Ricky Knight is excellent.

Sophy Fearnley-Whittingstall

Local lass

Peter Dolman

Sophy, welcome to the fray and good luck on June 4th.

Chuck · Sophy

Good job Sophy glad you are standing too, we chatted a bit on the Traveller debacle which I am glad to say we solved for Oxford Rd., though it is still an issue in general as there appears to be a will on the part of Travellers to set up with less regard for the law than much of the population.

I am also standing in Clane North so we have You, Peter and me (Chuck) so far!

Best regards,

Chuck

Chuck

Calne not Clane sorry!

Chuck

Local lass · Re: Sophy

Peter Dolman

Chuck I suggest that you read another of my posts which sets out the exact detail of what happened.
I can say, others will confirm, that the leisure centre was not rescued by the conservative district council and in fact the conservatives could have stopped it closing in the first place.

The claims which Charles is making and you are continuing with goes against the spirit in which the leisure centre was rescued. It was agreed at the outset, Charles was not part of the original group but was made aware of the agreement, that politics would not be welcomed. The leisure centre should be above politics as it is an asset for all the community irrespective of age, creed, gender or political persuasion.

No matter what you or Charles say there are many people who are aware of what happened, many of them gave up their time over the Christmas 2007 period and I am eternally grateful to them!

Any money we were able to persuade the district council to give the leisure centre quite frankly was ours by right. Everyone in Calne was/is paying taxes to the district council which was and still is supporting the leisure centres in other towns. This includes Malmesbury where you live! The district council spent millions revamping the other 4 leisure centres and the money given to Calne & Cricklade is only a fraction of what was spent on them.

As a district councillor you could have voted against the budget of 2007-08 and voted for the one proposed by the independants which would have kept all 6 centres open.

Charles did you vote and if so which way?

If you did not vote why not?

Chuck just reread your post, the centre was closed for 9 months most of which was under the conservative district council.

Peter Dolman

Chuck were you at the meeting held in the leisure centre to discuss the proposed site for the travellers? If you were them I am surprised that you want to get involved in this discussion.

The arrogent attitude of many of the conservative district councillors was mind boggling. Especially councillor Bucknell (Lyneham), she did not seem to accept that the general public had a right to challenge the council.

No I don't think that the conservative run district council can claim to much out of the situation.

It does seem that the conservatives have a very short memory and want to claim that they are the saviours where ever they can. I think that the general public have a better memory that they (conservatives) have.

It may be of course that they have no real successes to report!

Chuck

I don't want to say too much about what we had to deal with and how but suffice it to say I am honestly representing the situation when I say that in the Executive Meeting the Oxford Rd site was rejected as a likely Traveller site and the recommendation was changed so as not to ruffle officers feathers too much but to clearly give direction as to how the position should moved forward. we had already listened to and responded to public outcry before it became public and our local Calne members and thos who work in Calne had laid the ground clearly. It is fair to say that agreement was reached inour meeting.

I'll leave it at that and not try to and any whistles and bows.

Chuck

As regards Calne Leisure Centre after the 2007 election the Tories gained control but Calne was already closed. To work out the finances and turn the situation around took time as indeed it took time for CLAG to set out its stall and get prepared. We had a lot of work to do to make sure we could afford the re opening and I think you will agree we were more than helpful in the end. Our aim was to get them all back up and running but it was not with a hang the cost attitude. Business plans and such like were sought to make sure the case was there.

Local government is slow and deliberate and often frustrating, you know that and I have learned that. To get to the desired conclusion takes time and effort and a lot of crossing of Ts and dotting of Is. You deserve your ray of sunshine for what you did in the same way the Conservatives for helping CLAG with the finance.

Without the local will and the people like you who wlaked up to the plate it would have been pointless to pursue the course but we all pulled together so - if it looked like I was trying to score points then the only points to be scored were that they DID close under the Lib Dems and were reopened under the Conservatives but WE ALL WANTED THEM OPEN AGAIN and I am sure the nobody ever wanted to close them - circumstances force the issue and a chagne of circumstances put is back.

Ther is glory to bask in for all who were part of the resurrection regardless of party.

You I am pretty sure know how it worked.

Cheers,

Chuck

sophy

I'm not going to enter into the debate about the travellers' sites as most of the members of this forum are already aware of the role that I played.

But I'd like to thank seasoned campaigners Peter and Chuck for the warm welcome they've given me, as a newbie. The next month promises to be very interesting.

Peter Dolman

Chuck, did you vote in the budget which resulted in the closure of the leisure centre. If you did how did you vote. I understand that most conservatives did not vote.

I don't know what planet you come from but the district council had no imput into our 5 year business plan at all. Kevin Wells, Andrew Marshall and I presented the budget on the 29th June and again on the 5th July after requests to clarify some items.

The money given us were already in the budget, from Lib Dem days, so where was the imput from the new district council.

Dick Tonge and Viv Vines were still talking to Athena Leisure (29th June), on the same day as our 1st meeting which confirms that they you had no firm plans to do anything!
To infer that you did is being "economical with the truth".

Top Dog

For those that do not know the role Sophy played in helping us as a forum to stop the sites let me tell you.
Sophy spent a great deal of time collecting signatures for the petition to get ALL the sites stopped not just the one what affected her.
She looked in to the laws and did the research for us to help put a stop to the sites.
Sophy was also the one who enabled kathy27 and i to present the council with a petition against these site.
From a personal view regarding the sites.The council i feel acted appallingly ,Most calne people were unaware that it was even happening.
The meetings which they held were poorly organised .The second meeting in particular .
One councillor who did help us in our plight was Caroline Ramsey.
Sophy if elected will be very good because she fights for the town not just herself.
I wish her every success

Chuck i would like to know from a voters view what active part you played in stopping the sites?
Most of the councillors i have spoken to at that time were unwilling to help us and did not say what they really thought.
Most sat behind the desk at the meetings unwilling to answer the questions what were put forward to them by the members of the public.
I feel that the gypsies issue is important as i want to know from the people standing if they will be willing to stand up and fight for there town,to improve it.or will they just sit behind a desk and let others speak.
Sophy to me has proved to be a fighter.
Peter ,Chuck how about you?

(so glad i'm no longer a mod , I can say what I feel

)

GTB

I am finding this topic quite interesting, even though it has strayed from its original theme. It's nice to see impassioned views from different angles all aiming to help the people of Calne.

Peter Dolman

My opinion on the proposed sites are well know, those the district council tried to foist of on us were totally inappropriate.

The behaviour of the district council was a scandel. People living near the site only found out about the proposal when a TV camera turned up for pictures for the evening news.

The meeting at the leisure centre just reinforced everyones view of the district councillors and the arrogant way they treat their voters. Councillors Bucknell was the worst berating the audience for disagreeing with her.

The councils do have a responsibility to provide sites for travellors but they need to be in an appropriate position after going through a full consultation excercise with all those affected.

Top Dog

Chuck

How it happened was that the Officers were charged to find 'suitable' sites for Travellers and all the sites they looked at were Council owned land (wrongly but that was the case). The executive received a recommendation from the officers and Oxford Rd was pretty high on the list (if not the highest). Caroline Ramsey who lives on Oxford Rd, and I who run a business on Portemarsh were very unhappy and put our views in the striongest terms. The report was discussed and then the recommendation alterred to require public consultation on all and more sites. This opened the way for the public to show how they felt and we knew that would give a strong message.

We were instrumental in quashing the site's likelihood in Calne but of course so was the public's view we simply facilitated the public consultation to allow this to be determined. It is the choice of the public after all not a couple of Councillors we simply seek to represent the public as strongly as we can - that is our job.

It is clear that the public wanted the gateway to Calne to look attractive that is a fair comment and something I agree with.

We are, however, legally required to house travellers in an area which comes as close to matching the needs for housing as is possible.

I will not add much more to this debate but we ALL played our part in Traveller debate and should the need arise we will do the same again. One needs to talk with planning reasons to justify decisions emotion and desk thumping sadly do not carry the day. It is quite a truth to suffer that in some cases what appears to be the most popular choice may not be the 'right' choice in law.

Frustating yes!, but it all had to be done the right way which is why sometimes Councils seem to be a bit wierd - bit like being a mediator Top Dog!

I am happy with the part I played and also very happy that the public made it clear how they felt as without a dramatic reaction such answers as we tried to find would have been even more tough to deliver. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.

Cheers,

Chuck

Top Dog

Thank you chuck.I can not remember if i had met you or not during that time and i am still unsure of who you are,.
The problem you will face is that voters want to see the council act on there behalf.
Actions speak so much louder than words.

Peter Dolman

My involvement was minimal in so far that others had already organised themselves.

The district council executive changed their minds over the sites and were forced to go out to full consultation or face the risk of a judicial review. The council would have ended up paying out large sums in legal fees as they were in the wrong.
The change of mind partly facilitated by the public outcry (arising as the council had not publicised the issue and partly by Councillor Caroline Ramsey. Caroline was at the time looking to sell her house and the prospect of a travellers site on her doorstep was not going to help! In all fairness I think she would have been in there fighting for the town anyway as she has been a strong town/district councillor.

Lets face it Chuck not many Calne people had heard of you prior to this election, I was one of them. I don't recall you speaking at the meeting at the leisure centre, but I forget that you have not represented Calne or Calne Area 5 so their was no reason why you should have been there!

Have you remembered yet, did you vote for that budget or not, were you actually there for the vote?

Chuck

Put simply Peter Calne had its representatives I was one of the Council members for Oaksey Minety Purton and Cabinet or exec member for Built Environment I had my part to play. I can asure you that I supported Caroline in our meetings 100% as a business owner in Portemarsh this was really important to me to but I knew where the Executive was taking this, whereas the public were more in the dark and it was really helpful to our cause that the outcry was voluminous.

I was new to Council in 07 to be frank it was a real mess and 10 years of Lib Dems had left a lot of creases, rips, damage and financial issues to be sorted out not their fault they tried hard but simply were not business like enough. It took us (mainly Dick and the new financial officers) 2 years and a chunk of good fortune but we delivered a council to unitary in much better shape than when we inherited it.

It was not your fault Peter neither can I take shed loads of credit for what went right. You me Caroline and others (some less than others) just get out and try TO DO THE RIGHT THING. Not always most efficiently, often with large amount of frustrating PC stuff attached to it, it is like running through treacle. I was not expecting Council to be like that but what Calne (or anywhere else for that matter) needs is loud, stroppy, single minded (not single issue), and forthright representation. A ballsy rep or team of reps to bigup Calne and keep it at the top of this big new Council agenda. One does a lot of work quietly if in Cabinet, but as a regular member you can really get stuck in. If I am fortunate enough to be selected by the public of North Calne I will put my substantial weight behind North Calne and Calne in general's wider needs.

Lickhill Rd needs and has been promised speed restrictions for years, the parking outside Fynamore School is a joke and there needs to be a solution, new houses are banded too high in the Council Tax rates, traffic management is poor in Calne, Police are not as visible on the streets, we have no dentists on the NHS, the prmised and budgeted Peilcan Crossing near Fynamore School has not been delivered, there is still £200K of Persimmon money to allocate to North Calne projects, after all the fuss about the buidling of a community hall for North Calne we are still not looking at a positive solution. The thought that the new school was for walk to pupils (hence the traffic issues) simply did not happen and a lot more besides.

If any of those standing get elected for North Calne (and I am pretty sure one of us will!) there is a lot to do a lot to bash down the doors about. If am am so honoured I'll be shouting about all of these and whatever other issues I come across, whether it be drainage, Westlea wrongly advertising an occupied house or whatever, I'll visit the person find out the real situation and support them if right. That's what being a Councillor is about, not Politics but people, not me but you (everone who reads this) not bull but action (whether publically displayed or not) honesty! I did not claim any expenses over the 2 years I was a Councillor and I have no intention of claiming any if I get in again (unless I could use it for Calne some way).

It's about PEOPLE not POLITICS!!! Councillors are elected to serve the public representing opinion. Councillors have failed to engage nearly 50% of the population so they don't come out. Most of these people are the least advantaged, those who need the most, who cost the Council the most, who are the most vulnerable a no show, no vote is a clear indication that those in representational politics have failed, to engae, to inspire, to protect, to deliver, to play a straight bat, to be honest etc...

Listen I'll shut up now but one thing I'll say finally is I CARE not all Councillors are there for others but I certainly was and hope to be again.

Cheers,

Chuck

Local lass

intresting what you said chuck you are bang on about a lot of issues .i do like the fact that you have noticed the complete caos what is school road .and silmpley did not say that you should walk your kids to schools.when in certain cases this is unavoidable.
despite there being a school there there is no notices apart from the name of the road to indicate the school,there is no crossing there what pedestrians have right of way.
how about where the shop are that is very poorly designed and the end of the car park if opened up will reduce a lot of congestion there.

Chuck

It will need a deal of thought from drop across the road with a crossing on the main road to better use around the shopd etc...

There is not enough parking for the surgery either it appears.

A new entry to Fynamore at the rear might help and possibly a drop off arrangement using staff but this is an imposition on staff so will need careful handling.

It is really not the ideal place to start but that is what we have. I reckon we need at least 2 pelican style crossings and some hard standing to sort it or maybe some other solution. It is proabaly a good them ofr a school located discussion to ask what residents, parents and staff think first. It will take 2 years to sort it unless we are very lucky and it may not get sorted at all if it is very costly.

But hell that's the job.

Chuck

Top Dog

[quote="Peter Dolman"]My involvement was minimal in so far that others had already organised themselves.
quote]

So really you sat back and let others do the work?
Did you offer to help any of those what were trying to to get the sites stopped?

Chuck i was fully aware of a member of the council who had a connection to portmarsh.I did not trealise that was you.

Peter Dolman

I have never been on the district council but was still heavily involved in the leisure centre. yes it was easier to let others get on with it as I was not needed and at the end of the day there is only so many hours in one day.

the issue was the making of the county & district councils the latter tried to push it through but got found out. they then did a quick about turn to save face and tried to claim they were always against the travellers sites but they (& officers of the councils) came up with the list!

the rest they say is history!

Peter Dolman

Chuck you know quite well the road needs to be adopted before any thing can be done. It is still the responsibility of Persimmon Homes.

The first thing to do is to have double yellow lines in school road by the roundabout to stop dangerous parking.

The next issues is for the school to inforce its own rules and insist that parents act responsibly and considerately.

There are many other more important issues in Calne North that needs money rather that 2 Pelican crossings. eg the state of pavements and roads, childrens playgounds to name 2.

We DO NOTwant any additional parking as it will only encourage more cars into the area.

Chuck if you want to ask a resident then ask me I have lived at my current address for 27 years but have spent a total of 40 years living in Lickhill Road. Surely my views are as valid as anyone elses who live in the ward?

Local lass

Chuck

Peter thanks for the offer I was at your house the other evening and spoke to your lady wife. I will speak with you of course if I get elected in fact it would be great to have some sort of co operation with a small local working group or committee for this area.

It is poor there and I have a plan which might work I have seen it done in the past but it will cost a few quid.

Chuck

Chuck

Peter there needs to be an arangement for the surgery to have more parking.

Peter Pelican Crossings have been on the agenda for some time it appears and are needed not least to help the many children going to school tounderstnad that a raised bit of cobble is not a pelican crossing and needs to be treated carefully. A lollipop person may be the answer but we need someone out there keeping kids safe.

Anyway I'll set my stall as I address the several hundred people I have spoken with so far. I really want to get the public entthused and feel part of our Calne North and greater Calne community. It is not for me to say this should happen or that shouldf happen but for me to take the views of those I speak to and translate that in to action.

Too many politicians have their own agendas it is the public we should follow and their view we should represent not our won.

There are people who stand for office for all sorts of reasons for me it is to shout for those who have quiet voices (and those who have loud ones!) to aim for those who cannot see the target, to shoot for those who feel if they take action they will be victimised, to coach those who need it to make their voices heard, to stand up for, and help thise who need support in standing to get their thoughts over to the Council.

My heart is in the right place I know that - I hope that I can enthuse those who feel politicians local and particularly National are a bunch of wasters (would have used another word but thought it best not to).

My 2 years in Council taught me a lot, some good some bad, but every Council has its problem people and when the Libs and the Conservatives were battling with banter it made my heart sink. If you get it wrong then work to fix it not to rubbish those who screwed it up or those who are trying to pout it right -WORK TOGETHER.

If I get in I'd love Pter's help, Sophys help and anyone who live in North Calne. I am sure the Town Council will help too so let's work together to sort Calne. Not sit back and let others do it - we need to be there, finger in Dykes, hands on shovels, pens to the ready, we can really get the message through and get things doemn that are a priority. Calne Needs - let's identify them and satisfy them or, not die trying, but shall we say, get hot and bothered trying!

Sorry got on my hobby horse it's not about me or you Peter it is about residents - all of them, and somehow we need them to believe that is how real representatives feel, not those who don a political colour and seek glory and gratification but those who work honestly, sometimes queitly, but who strive to get things done for others (not for themselves).

Chuck

Chuck

Sorry didn't mean to sound so sanctimonious just got started and didn't stop.

Chuck

Peter Dolman

first things first I am a resident of Calne and have been for many years so all these issues affect me directly more so than anyone living else where.

Local Lass there are many families living in the north of calne who want a childrens playground and the best place for it is on the northend field where it was originally situated. The article in last weeks Gazette came about because someone complained to the Gazette about the delay in the building of the playground, I was asked to comment as I have been attending council meetings and lobbying for action.
The answer is yes we do need a playground now not some indeterminate date in the future!

There were no plans to have any crossings near the school which, apart from the Trinity school (on the main A4), is the same for all schools. There does need to be double yellow lines on school road due to the dangerous and inconsiderate parking there. The possible should be some in Iris road, but that is up for discussions with the residents not the school.
The school does have a code of conduct which the school has asked parents to adher to and perhaps the school should consider sanctions against the worst offenders.
For those living in the area this is a very emotive issue and one that deserves resolution. If parents don't like the parking arrangements perhaps they should consider moving their children to a different school!

While it's not impossible for someone living outside their ward to be concerned about the area I personally would not stand. By living within the ward and having personal contacts with many of the voters (supporters or not) you do get to hear about all the niggles and issues they have. Chuck how would you be able to communicate with you voters on a regular basis should you be luckly enough to win on June 4th?

Local lass

P eter i am not saying that they dont need a playground surley though childrens saftey is more important than entertainment.
you say no other school has a crossing i beg to differ dunston has a lollypop lady ,priesly has traffic calmig measures outside there school.and to be fair dunston and priestly are no where on a road as dangerous as fynamore.
the residents who complain shouldhave thought about the school being there and the problems what it could cause them when they decided to buy the houses.cars who park in the estate are not breaking the law,addmittly when you get the daft sods who do park on the junctions.its a bit like moving to lynham and complaining about the planes
sometimes though peter going to school by car is for some unavoidable.

Peter Dolman

you don't have to send your children to this school I am sure there is one closer, sorry assumed that your children attend Fynamore.

all the schools in Calne are excellant but some are more fashionable, a bit like pubs.
they all provide an excellant schooling, my 3 children went to St Dunstans and JBS and all 3 went on to university.

I cannot understand why parents insist on driving their children miles because they think that one school is better than another!

Local lass

Chuck

In answer to your comments I can meet with people during the day or in the evenings every night and at the weekends - if you want me I'll come I am committed to people their need their wants its a heart driven thing.

Hey Pete let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill there are phones and email too these days!

In view of your prejudice on certain matters then maybe it's better I am from the outside and work in Calne just the 10 hours a day!

It's my business and I can be pretty flexible to meet with people as they need me to.

Peter if I were you mister 'not enough hours in the day' I'd back off I am not inclined to decry your efforts or dish the dirt so to speak but one or two things you say and do or not do are incongruous with a desire to serve.

I'll leave it there. Chuck

Peter Dolman

prejudice I am not, critical I am. I am prepared to challenge anything, any anybody and won't take no for an answer. Its the only way to get things done!

Chuck

Good on you Peter nice answer by the way Chris Caswell does he live on his Division?

Hmmmmmm maybe not and he doesn't work there either if you really think that being in Calne 60 hours a week will stop me from delivering stuff for Calne people you are not really the sort of man I think and say you are.

Cheers,

Chuck

Peter Dolman

Mr Caswell is not standing in Calne and therefore is not of interest to me but he must fullfil the criteria to stand as do you.
There are 168 hours in a week.

Top Dog

Peter Dolman

Top Dog I am more than a little upset by you comments, it is not a competition. I have been involved in many projects but don't choose to let everyone know about them. I am sure that the same applies to you.

Yes the travellers site was important but in reality once it became public knowledge there was little chance of it going ahead (that was not just my assessement of the situation).

You were, and I do not denigrate your efforts, one of many groups/people campaigning against the proposals.

The town council was lobbying the district council and the town's district councillors were being lobbied by countless residents.

I am sure that the residents attending the leisure centre meeting allied to all the other actions combined to convince the district councillors that there was only one decision that would be acceptable.

I am happy with my record of past actions which I believe will stand up to scrutiny.

how do you react

Sophy

Re: Sophy