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Gay AdoptionIs gay adoption ever right? A magistrate has complained after being made to stand down from his office after expressing his Christian views that gay adoption is just not right and that children should be brought up in a normal heterosexual way with a mother and a father.
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WeAreSTFC
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Re: Gay Adoption | GTB wrote: | | Is gay adoption ever right? A magistrate has complained after being made to stand down from his office after expressing his Christian views that gay adoption is just not right and that children should be brought up in a normal heterosexual way with a mother and a father. |
very few kids get that.
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Local lass
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I do not see a problem in it.Many children these days are brought up with a single parent family surley the most inportant thing is that the child is loved and provided for and brought up in a loving home.
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GTB
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But it's not natural though is it??  A natural family is a husband and wife - Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. I'm not homophobic but you have got to admit that it is preferable to have a man and a woman bringing up a child rather than two men or two women.
They discriminate against age in adoption saying that a parent is too old but are quite happy for a pair of sodomites to bring up a child. The world is an odd place lately. 
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WeAreSTFC
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| GTB wrote: | But it's not natural though is it?? A natural family is a husband and wife - Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. I'm not homophobic but you have got to admit that it is preferable to have a man and a woman bringing up a child rather than two men or two women.
They discriminate against age in adoption saying that a parent is too old but are quite happy for a pair of sodomites to bring up a child. The world is an odd place lately. |
Not many 'natural families' these days.... as long as a gay couple care about the child and will make sure it has a good childhood it'd be a lot better for the child than many who get beaten by their parents or live in poverty.
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Local lass
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gtb so whats better
a gay couple who love the child and provides for that child?
a single mother/father who despite doing the best they can can not provide for the child
or a man and a woman who argue constantly ?
in a ideal world yes it is best to have a mother and a father who love and provide for the child .
but its not always the case.
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GTB
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| WeAreSTFC wrote: | | it'd be a lot better for the child than many who get beaten by their parents or live in poverty. |
That is a very sweeping statement which has no grounds of fact whatsoever!
Children naturally need a mother and father figure in their lives, how do they achieve this in a same sex relationship?? The adoption agencies are advocating the practice of sexual perversion by putting children into the care of these people. It seems that they are morally bereft in their judgement by having this policy.
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WeAreSTFC
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| Local lass wrote: | gtb so whats better
a gay couple who love the child and provides for that child?
a single mother/father who despite doing the best they can can not provide for the child
or a man and a woman who argue constantly ?
in a ideal world yes it is best to have a mother and a father who love and provide for the child .
but its not always the case. |
my mum and dad were constantly arguing, until my dad broke my mums rib when he was drunk and they split up, we didn't have hardly any money either... wasn't fun, would it be worse than that for a child growing up with gay adoptive parents, as long as they cared about them and had enough money?
The answer is no
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GTB
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| Local lass wrote: | gtb so whats better
a gay couple who love the child and provides for that child?
a single mother/father who despite doing the best they can can not provide for the child
or a man and a woman who argue constantly ? |
You seem to be trying to lay a biased argument by asking if a "loving gay couple" is better than a constantly quarreling normal couple. What happens if I reverse your argument and say: What is better? A loving heterosexual couple or a constantly argueing homosexual couple?? Both ways make a pointless arguement. 
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Clunk
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| Local lass wrote: | | a single mother/father who despite doing the best they can can not provide for the child |
I strongly resent that.
I am a lone father of two children (2&3 years old). I bring up my kids on a single parent benefit. I cannot provide what I want for my kids. And I detest not being able to work. You are saying in that comment that I am a bad parent.
Personally, I am against gay adoption. I don't think it is right that a child should be brought up by single sex couples. And I personally think it should be globally banned.
This whole world has gone too politically correct, and quite frankly it gets on my tits.
565,000 people emigrated to this country last year. 375,000 migrated.
That means that the population of this country increased by 190,000 people before any births are taken into consideration. By my reckoning, if you removed everyone who emigrated to the uk in past 20 years, we would have no unemployment.
However, a relative of mine works for jobcenter, and they claim that around 90% of their applicants are foreigners seeking asylum. People coming to the uk, just to get 'free money'. On the other hand, a friend of mine wants to go to New Zealand. He has taken 3 years and had to do a university qualification, to be granted access. He moves in march. We just let them all in. I want to move to Australia, because of their immigration policy. Basically, its a case of 'We don't give a toss where you are from, but come here and follow the Australian way. We wont make special rules for any religion. Leave your country at the gate, you will become Australians.'
And all this is even effecting jokes. When was the last time you heard a 'ni6ger' joke? (no offence) And if anyone slates me for that racist comment, then boIIocks to you. Tell someone who cares.
13 years ago, I was made redundant. I was told by a workmate, that I would not get a penny from the government, as I was English , white, straight and male. Now I am 13 years older, I can see he was right, and he still would be.
Kids for poofs?
Whatever next?
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Bear
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Right on Clunk thank God someone has had the Bo??*cks to speak the truth never mind all this caring parents nonsense queers should not be aloud to adopt kids full stop.
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Kizzy
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So if a hetrosexual couple have children, and the father dies the mother has the children and she then decides she has been living a lie all her life and actually prefers women.
She starts a relationship with another female and eventually they move in together with the children.
You are saying that the children should be taken from her and put into care because she is not hetrosexual.
I must say a lot of the views here are very prehistoric. As long as the child has the love and support from the "parent" then I see it as not an issue.
There are a lot of children out there who need a family, so it does not matter whether that family are gay, straight, white, black, asian, young, old, disabled, or abled. All that matters is the child feels they are wanted, loved and supported.
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Clunk
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| Kizzy wrote: | So if a hetrosexual couple have children, and the father dies the mother has the children and she then decides she has been living a lie all her life and actually prefers women.
She starts a relationship with another female and eventually they move in together with the children. |
No that would be fine.
I think you didn't read the title. It says 'gay adoption' If the child belongs to one of the parents, then that is alright.
What I am saying is that a pair of doughnut punchers should not be able to adopt someone else's baby.
Although I dare say they would be offered an Iraqui baby with a missing arm and a grant worth £10,000 a year to go with it cause we killed its parents in a war.
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Local lass
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| GTB wrote: | | WeAreSTFC wrote: | | it'd be a lot better for the child than many who get beaten by their parents or live in poverty. |
That is a very sweeping statement which has no grounds of fact whatsoever!
Children naturally need a mother and father figure in their lives, how do they achieve this in a same sex relationship?? |
what about a single parent where there is no contact with the parent who left .?
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Clunk
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| Local lass wrote: | | GTB wrote: | | WeAreSTFC wrote: | | it'd be a lot better for the child than many who get beaten by their parents or live in poverty. |
That is a very sweeping statement which has no grounds of fact whatsoever!
Children naturally need a mother and father figure in their lives, how do they achieve this in a same sex relationship?? |
what about a single parent where there is no contact with the parent who left .? |
What about them?
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Local lass
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You seem to be trying to lay a biased argument by asking if a "loving gay couple" is better than a constantly quarreling normal couple. What happens if I reverse your argument and say: What is better? A loving heterosexual couple or a constantly argueing homosexual couple?? Both ways make a pointless arguement.
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they do indeed .the difference is your definition of a good parent.
to me agood parent is some one who is.
there for there child no matter what
to love there child
to provide for there child
to protect there child.
to be brought up in a loving home
to me as long as that is provided for even if its gay/straight/single parent what ever.
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Local lass
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a single mother/father who despite doing the best they can can not provide for the child
I strongly resent that.
I am a lone father of two children (2&3 years old). I bring up my kids on a single parent benefit. I cannot provide what I want for my kids. And I detest not being able to work. You are saying in that comment that I am a bad parent.
clunk that comment was not aimed at you.
i for a time was also a single parent so i know just how hardthat is.
i take it clunk that you feed and dress your children and love them.
there fore you provide for them.
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Clunk
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| Local lass wrote: | there for there child no matter what
to love there child
to provide for there child
to protect there child.
to be brought up in a loving home
to me as long as that is provided for even if its gay/straight/single parent what ever. |
But if gays adopted it wouldn't be their child, would it?
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Local lass
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This whole world has gone too politically correct, and quite frankly it gets on my tits.
TOTALY AGREE WITH YOU
However, a relative of mine works for jobcenter, and they claim that around 90% of their applicants are foreigners seeking asylum. People coming to the uk, just to get 'free money'. On the other hand, a friend of mine wants to go to New Zealand. He has taken 3 years and had to do a university qualification, to be granted access. He moves in march. We just let them all in. I want to move to Australia, because of their immigration policy. Basically, its a case of 'We don't give a toss where you are from, but come here and follow the Australian way. We wont make special rules for any religion. Leave your country at the gate, you will become Australians.'
MY FRIEND IS OVER THERE AT THE MOMENT YOU ARE ALLOWED IN IF YOU HAVE A PROFESSION.SHE IS A CHEF.THEY NEED CHEFS NURSE AND DOCTORS.
13 years ago, I was made redundant. I was told by a workmate, that I would not get a penny from the government, as I was English , white, straight and male. Now I am 13 years older, I can see he was right, and he still would be.
UNFORTUNATLEY CLUNK HE WAS RIGHT BIG STYLE.
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Clunk
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| Local lass wrote: | However, a relative of mine works for jobcenter, and they claim that around 90% of their applicants are foreigners seeking asylum. People coming to the uk, just to get 'free money'. On the other hand, a friend of mine wants to go to New Zealand. He has taken 3 years and had to do a university qualification, to be granted access. He moves in march. We just let them all in. I want to move to Australia, because of their immigration policy. Basically, its a case of 'We don't give a toss where you are from, but come here and follow the Australian way. We wont make special rules for any religion. Leave your country at the gate, you will become Australians.'
MY FRIEND IS OVER THERE AT THE MOMENT YOU ARE ALLOWED IN IF YOU HAVE A PROFESSION.SHE IS A CHEF.THEY NEED CHEFS NURSE AND DOCTORS. |
There is a point.
I was talking to my mate who is going to newzealand next year. Apparently, they have a shortage of mechanics over there.
Any mechanics on this forum, go to newzealand now.
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Local lass
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It says 'gay adoption' If the child belongs to one of the parents, then that is alright
WHAT ABOUT TWO LESBIAN WOMAN WHO USE A SPERM DONAR AND ONE GETS PREGNANT ?
Did you see in America there is amillionaire who is in a partnership with another man and the used a surragate mother who has now had three kids i think.
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Local lass
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| Clunk wrote: | | Local lass wrote: | | GTB wrote: | | WeAreSTFC wrote: | | it'd be a lot better for the child than many who get beaten by their parents or live in poverty. |
That is a very sweeping statement which has no grounds of fact whatsoever!
Children naturally need a mother and father figure in their lives, how do they achieve this in a same sex relationship?? |
what about a single parent where there is no contact with the parent who left .? |
What about them? |
gtb said that Children naturally need a mother and father figure in their lives.i asked what about a couple who has split up and has no contact with one of the parents.
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Local lass
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But if gays adopted it wouldn't be their child, would it?
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not strictly speaking no but you could say the same thing on hetrosexul people who adopt.
to me a parent would be the person who brings the child up.
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Local lass
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There is a point.
I was talking to my mate who is going to newzealand next year. Apparently, they have a shortage of mechanics over there.
Any mechanics on this forum, go to newzealand now.
austrailia does have it right i wish we were likethat also .
hopefully they will put in place some of there rules.
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Kizzy
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My point about a child with gay parents where one was the biological parent, was that there are people saying that a child should be brought up by hetrosexual parents only.
And to be honest what is normal nowadays when there are interacial, mixed religion families. Children have several grandaparents instead of the traditional set of 2, have siblings who have different parents to each other. There is no such thing as a "normal" family anymore and we need to get use to it.
If the child is happy then there is no issue. Isn't it best they are in a loving family then being left to feel unwanted in a childrens home.
Also note not only are gays allowed to adopt, but so are single people - Is this wrong as well???? As the child will not receive both a motherly and fatherly guidance.
Alot of children are raised perfectly well with one parent, so having 2 of the same sex is no different.
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Bear
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OK OK calm down everyone the thread started with the question about gay adoption and wether you agree with it or not. Let me make my point quite clearly it is not about whether a child is better off with one sort of parents or another what I say is that children need both a male roll model and a female roll model therefore I dont agree with gay adoption any more than I would agree with single parenting or parenting by disfunctional parents if should not be promoted. For example what would you say if social services placed a child with a female heroine addict and a male paedophile ? of course you would object as would I so its not a case of the less worse scenario we should be aiming for the best scenario i.e a loving mother and father and not promote anything less than that.
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kathy27
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I have to agree with kizzy, what is a normal family now a days? surely if there are so many children in need of a new home for whatever reason, it shouldn't matter if parents are gay or straight, gay people do have straight friends as do straight have gay friends. as long as the child is loved, wanted, safe and cared for, does it really matter if its a single parent, same sex parents or a "normal" couple.
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GTB
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| Bear wrote: | | we should be aiming for the best scenario i.e a loving mother and father and not promote anything less than that. |
That is a spot on comment!!
What I was originally getting at was why do the adoption agency put an age limit on heterosexual couples who wish to adopt but are happy to place children into care with homosexual "couples"? Bear's comment about aiming for the best scenario is what every adoption agency should be striving for and as far as I'm concerned letting homosexuals adopt children is not even second best in my book.
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Venus
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we should be aiming for the best scenario i.e a loving mother and father and not promote anything less than that.
Unfortunatley there is a huge need for people to adopt.Although the best scenario is a loving mother and father that can not all ways be the case.
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daffy
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 yes in a ideal world as long as the kids are loved and well cared for who cares if there parents are gay or not , but its not fair on the kids there going to grow up thinking thats the norm ,the kids would be a laughing stock at school .
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