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Attrebates

Early release from jail for non violent offenders

Non violent prisoners should be released from jail to make more jail space available for such as terrorists and others who would wound or kill indiscriminately. Include convicted drink drivers.

Automatic parole after serving 50% of the original sentence, lets say.
eyestrange

copied from the other thread Very Happy


I think they should use prisoners to build new prisons thus gaining a trade and sorting out the prison problem.......of course these should be built on very small unpopulated islands anywhere else

They are allowed to smoke in their cells because it is classed has their home......WHAT Shocked ....they have had their liberty taken away....WHAT HOME Shocked Shocked Shocked
The gaurds have to go outside for a cig in the cold and wind and rain......justice be damned
Evil or Very Mad
rosco

Re: Early release from jail for non violent offenders

Attrebates wrote:
Non violent prisoners should be released from jail to make more jail space available for such as terrorists and others who would wound or kill indiscriminately. Include convicted drink drivers.

Automatic parole after serving 50% of the original sentence, lets say.


I thought the government had already done this to be honest!
Attrebates

Yes they do seem to have done that. It would be interesting to see what other countries do about this as I'm told we have the fullest jails in Europe.

Is that because we haven't built enough ?
Are the Brits more given to breaking the law than our friends on the continent?

Are their jails not quite as prisoner friendly as ours?

This might tie in with the thread on 'easy life in jails'.

Any body know anything about EU or other foreign jails. I hesitate to ask is there anybody with personal experience who could do a comparison?

Time to confess. We don't know who you are, honest! Twisted Evil

Should we build more jails in preference to early release for prisoners ?

Your thread.
Local lass

I dont agree in releaseing prisoners early if they were given a sentance than the whole of that sentance should be carried out.

for the lifers like ian huntley,roy whiting then the death penalty should apply.
which would help with the over crowding.


for those serving over ten years i would build a floating prison out at sea somewhere that if they escaped they would die.
be made to work by doing mind numbing jobs.


those who arnt classed as a danger to the public and are fine in open prisons should be made to clear the ditches and clean the rivers,and pick up litter.
wearing a prison uniform so people know where they are from.
rosco

Local lass wrote:
I dont agree in releaseing prisoners early if they were given a sentance than the whole of that sentance should be carried out.


So you don't beleive in time off for good behaviour then? How do you make people behave in prison then?

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for the lifers like ian huntley,roy whiting then the death penalty should apply.
which would help with the over crowding.


Looknig at the US example, death row is often not a quick process because of all the appeals that can be launched. I am fundamentally against it, because any misjudgement made cannot be corrected.

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for those serving over ten years i would build a floating prison out at sea somewhere that if they escaped they would die.
be made to work by doing mind numbing jobs.


(you're not thinking of a certain Nicholas Cage/John Travolta film are you?!) I think you find that would be much less economic than a land-based prison. Quite apart from how to keep control over a place like that, how would such people reintegrate into society at the end of their term?

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those who arnt classed as a danger to the public and are fine in open prisons should be made to clear the ditches and clean the rivers,and pick up litter.
wearing a prison uniform so people know where they are from.


I would probably agree with you on this one.
Local lass

So you don't beleive in time off for good behaviour then? How do you make people behave in prison then?

no they have commited a crime and should serve the sentance they have been given.


you're not thinking of a certain Nicholas Cage/John Travolta film are you?!) I think you find that would be much less economic than a land-based prison. Quite apart from how to keep control over a place like that, how would such people reintegrate into society at the end of their term?


i would reintegate the people by putting them in a lower security prison two years before there sentance would end they would go in a jail on the main land.
as for keeping control like alkatraz.
eyestrange

You do the crime, you do the time.....the reason sentences have become lenient is because the prisons are full ....build more prisons and use prisoners as labour to build them......if the sentence is longer then they won't come out early re offend and go back in again.....stops all this tooing and throwing.
Local lass

....build more prisons and use prisoners as labour to build them......i

i like that idea
rosco

Local lass wrote:
....build more prisons and use prisoners as labour to build them......i

i like that idea


Not very realistic though it is : I'd sure not trust them to do a good jobs, after all they might be building a cell where they could go in the future, don't you think they'd be tempted to cut corners-make an escape route etc?!
Local lass

never thought of that rosco Laughing
eyestrange

good point.....amendement...must be inspected for escape routes before being passed by planning committee Wink
Bear

Re: Early release from jail for non violent offenders

Attrebates wrote:
Non violent prisoners should be released from jail to make more jail space available for such as terrorists and others who would wound or kill indiscriminately. Include convicted drink drivers.

Automatic parole after serving 50% of the original sentence, lets say.


On the point about Automatic Parole after serving 50% of the original sentence it is already common practice for offenders to serve half of their custodial sentence in prison and half in the community on licence and supervision by the probation service. There are exceptions to this rule mostly for High Risk offenders who have committed sexual or violent crimes. the licence conditions imposed on the offender are often very stringent and breaching these will almost always result in the offender being recalled to prison meaning that it is not an entirely soft option.
As far as the early release of non violent offenders they would almost certainly fall within the category above and would be released under licence at the half way stage however there has recently been introduced what is called an ECL which I believe stands for Early Conditional Licence whereby offenders who meet certain criteria have been released before the half way stage. This appears to have been brought it purely to alleviate the overcrowding issue within the prison service. I hope this answers some of your questions but I am sure that by the very nature of the topic it will raise even more. as I work within the Criminal Justice System I will endeavour to answer any that it raises.
Attrebates

Re: Early release from jail for non violent offenders

On the point about Automatic Parole after serving 50% of the original sentence it is already common practice for offenders to serve half of their custodial sentence in prison and half in the community on licence and supervision by the probation service. There are exceptions to this rule mostly for High Risk offenders who have committed sexual or violent crimes. the licence conditions imposed on the offender are often very stringent and breaching these will almost always result in the offender being recalled to prison meaning that it is not an entirely soft option.
As far as the early release of non violent offenders they would almost certainly fall within the category above and would be released under licence at the half way stage however there has recently been introduced what is called an ECL which I believe stands for Early Conditional Licence whereby offenders who meet certain criteria have been released before the half way stage. This appears to have been brought it purely to alleviate the overcrowding issue within the prison service. I hope this answers some of your questions but I am sure that by the very nature of the topic it will raise even more. as I work within the Criminal Justice System I will endeavour to answer any that it raises.[/quote]

Thanks for that a full and informative answer. There must be some incentive for those who are genuinely remorseful for their "errors" and re-integrating EX-offenders must be a priority. As opposed to releasing recidivists early.

British prisons are they most overcrowded in Europe (we are told)

Does any one know how our fellow EU members deal with the problem of overcrowding prisons ? If they don't have that problem why do they seem more successful at dealing with crime than we seem to be, or are they ??

No tricks, genuine enquiry. I don't know the answer but can we learn any thing from them ??
Top Dog

The justice system

Do you have faith in it?
We read nearly every day that the prisons are over crowded ,People seem to be getting very light sentances for quite serious crimes,sometimes getting of scot free.
Local lass

i certainly dont have faith in are justice system.the sentancings are crap and are often cut.
take pete docorty .the amount of times he has got done for various crimes and he still walks the streets. Twisted Evil
Bear

The Criminal Justice System in this country is extremely complexed having grown to be where it is today over centuries. The question over sentencing is very interesting as as far as I understand it there are bands of sentences for similar offences for example someone who is convicted of GBH could be sentenced to anything between a Community Order and a Custodial sentence depending on the circumstances of the offence and any mitigation put to the court by the defendant this means that similar cases can on the face of it invoke quite dissimilar sentences. If you add into this the human differences of those judging a case and it looks even worse.
http://www.cjsonline.gov.uk/victi.../sentencing_guidelines/index.html

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