Does the gazzete have something against calne?

Local lass · Does the gazzete have something against calne?

http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk...rt_on_swindon_robbery_charges.php

Three men are taking to court for robbery ,each man one from calne ,one from hayden wick and the other from wooten basset .
so why is the headline calne man in court on swindon robbery?? :evil:

Geddi

So much for freedom of speech and equal rights! I am barred and although my password and log in name have been emailed to me and are correct, I am blocked from commenting on the Gazette website!

I see some lovely people would like to knock down the blocks of flats in Calne. I suppose you will also be opposing the traveller's site? Where exactly DO you expect people to live, or are you planning to open up your vast mansion to house all those you would have homeless?

I agree, for once, with local lass, and it does seem a tad unfair that only Calne is highlighted when three are to blame for the robbery.

Dogs mauling cattle, sheep, kids and cats! Too much and too little is done. Tighten the law on dogs NOW!

pimpdriver

Geddi

Pimp Driver - thanks for your sympathy, ref. Gazette.

I have to say about your comments on travellers that you are assuming they will behave a certain way, and yet no-one, not even me, knows who may come here or what they will behave like. Travellers come in all shapes, sizes and ethnic groupings. I take your point of being a NIMBY. Not that I agree.

I am not a NIMBY. I am happy to back onto such a site or live adjacent to it. I think that, on the whole, I would not get such colourful, straight forward or interesting neighbours, apart from having been homeless myself for some years and having been travelling for part of my life as well.

There are people who choose another life to me. Some of them drive 4x4s on tracks which were once suitable only for horses and walkers. There are people who believe their dogs (perhaps nobody else's) are angels who can do no wrong. I also meet people who think it fine to start up some blasted machine on a Sunday morning to power wash their car! I can not condone banning any of these people or hounding them out of Calne. I would not even dream of getting stressy and stroppy about the rigid spined people who claim that British troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are there for my benefit somehow! If illegally occupying a foreign land and thereby causing resentment and deeply seated anger is a way of protecting me, I'll do without thanks.

Travellers, who come through here as is, having a legal place to stay other than squatting hither and yon as they like (as they do now at a cost approaching £2 million per annum ... no probs.

GTB

Local lass

well to be honest gtb.its nothing to do with the dog its to do with the owner.
with that particular breed of dog agreed they can be nasty.
and walking down the street they are quite scary.

but.........
i was fortunate anough yesterday to meet one in his home.he was huge and very very soppy.after all the stuff i have heard about them he was totaly adorable.
so not only is it the breed ,you have to look at the back ground of the dog ,before juding the whole breed.

i admit the dog yesterday i saw was from a family who took great care of him,he was healthy and happy.

the two what attacked the girl in the pub where guard dogs.

Geddi

There are loads of cases where kids have been attacked by dogs who have later claimed to have been docile, loving, gentle, etc. This is not enough, in my opinion. I was bitten by a dog who was on a lead as I slowed down to pass by on my bicycle. I was hurt (the bite drew blood), in slight shock, and actually quite angry. Had I been a child, or had it been my child, bitten, it would have been a far worse situation. I have no doubt most children's mothers would have them to a GP for a check up, or to casualty for a tetanus shot and all that.

Serious stuff, and this was a normally mild mannered, gentle and non-violent dog.

GTB

I think it must come down to the fact that you cannot trust any dog, no matter how docile 100%.

kathy27

Thank you L.L. (i will give him a big cuddle from you :wink: )

Geddi

Kathy: You were not there when I was bitten by a dog on a lead. I was not too close to its owner and even if I were, how dare you try to pass blame onto ME! I did NOTHING except slow down and was bitten for my trouble.

Far too many dog walkers are using the National Cycle Network and get in the way of cyclists. A man I know from Calne ran over a small dog as it ran out directly under his wheels. He was shaken and his bike was slightly damaged. The dog yelped but appeared to be unhurt after but the man was assailed by the owner of the dog for his temerity in cursing the thing.

It appears that there are some who will ALWAYS be apologists, no matter WHAT the behaviour or circumstances.

kathy27

My point was Geddi, people are very quick to blame a dog for everthing, there are alot of reasons why a dog will snap at someone, you may not even know or realise what you done to make the dog feel threatened. Most dogs only snap as a last result, even a guard dog will growl and show its teeth before actually bitting. The dog may have been frightened because you were on a bike. Also if it was a normal lead (not an extending one) the owner should have had more control. Any good pet owner will know there animal, know what triggers them off or upsets them, it down to the owner to control the pet, not the other way around, so it can not be the dogs fault, just a bad owner!

Geddi

Kathy: I agree that it is down to the dog owner to ensure the safety of the public from their own dogs. Even indoors in their homes they should still be aware of the character and temperament of their dog (as clearly as is possible) and act accordingly.

I once attended a computer in an elderly couple's house to see what was wrong with it for them. It was not part of my job and was more of a favour than an obligation. As I walked into the lounge, which was very cosy and crowded with furniture, a small dog popped out from somewhere and mobbed my leg. It did not hurt me but the dog was on its hind legs sniffing up at me leaning on me. I stopped dead and refused to go on until the dog was out of my way. The owner of the dog insisted he wouldn't hurt me, but this was so not the point. They did grab him in the end and put him in another room.

My reasons for behaving as I did were three fold: First, I did not want to be dragging a dog with me during my working hours leaving hairs, saliva and god knows what on my trouser leg; Second, I did not wish to risk falling over the dog and injuring myself in the crowded room; lastly, I did not wish to tread upon the dog and injure him or annoy him so he bit me.

The behaviour of the lady who owned the dog was fairly typical of many dog owners, initially, she assumed that I would consider the dog in the same light as she. She also assumed that her dog has a right to paw at me and my trouser leg as I am in her home. Again, she assumed that muttering reassurances about: "It's OK, he won't bite." makes it all fine.

My point is that it is NOT fine. It is NOT OK. Dogs do NOT have more rights than people, yet can be as unpredictable as people so should be treated as dangerous to protect the public.

rosco

GTB

I think what Geddi is saying is that you have to adopt a certain amount of caution with unknown dogs - prevention being better than cure.

pimpdriver

kathy27

Totally agree with rosco, everything was fine until:

Local lass

KATHY WROTE
If you came into my house (invited), my dogs would be put into the garden, unless you asked to see them.
If you came into my house (there home!) un-invited, your fair game, even the law is on my side on that one.

I can vouch for that.she does put the dogs in her garden.
geddi how you can tarnish all dogs as dangerous is beyond be.There are so many things which you have to look at first.
for example ,breed,upbringing,what the animal is being used for.

Three of kathys dogs if you saw in a street you may back away from because of there breed but they are all completley soft.
and despite being in her house did not feel threaten once.Infact one of them i could quite easliy take home. :lol:

geddi do you have any pets?

Geddi

I need to be more specific I think here to make my point better.

(First though, I am not for travellers' dogs being let free to wander either!)

Travellers are people. All of them. They are liable for taxes (like it or not, many of them pay and take little in return in services). Travellers are people, and therefore can be reasoned with and conversed with, on the whole. Dogs are not people and can not be reasoned with, on the whole.

I think I need to remind some who may have missed that I have worked with dogs in a rescue centre and was bitten almost daily. I still do not dislike dogs.

There is a friend who is soon to set off on a journey from John O'Groats to Lands End to raise money for two dog charities. SHE is a traveller. Interesting where lines cross, aint it!!

Dogs can turn and bite for the slightest reason, unknown reasons sometimes, perhaps even to the dog who bites. Problem is, we can only guess as to why, even intelligent guesswork is still just guessing.

Not all dogs are apt to bite. Not all dogs who bite are apt to kill. Not all dogs apt to kill will actually do so. It's a plain fact that dogs are naturally killers/hunters and do revert with some frequency. It is unacceptable for anyone to throw stones at or brandish a stick at a dog they encounter, even their own dogs. I would, and have been, horrified and angry when I have seen mistreatment of dogs. I am also more and more angry with complacent owners of dogs who allow their dogs more freedoms than I would grant my kids, and then get uppity and confrontational when their dog does something wrong, like biting cyclists who 'ride too close to their owner'!

There was a young guy who walked his dog off the lead down along the river past Castle Walk a couple of Summers ago. There were a crowd of teens having a picnic and chatting down there, perhaps a dozen or so. The dog comes running and romping into the midst of the kids and steals a sandwich from inside a carrier bag and scoffs it. The owner/walker of the dog shouts out in a cheery voice: "Watch your food there, he'll have it!"

That to me is a small, single sample of how irrational some people are about their dogs' rights. That dog would have had a boot from me and the owner a right mouthful had that come near me. On this occasion, it did not, though I have been driven to address problems with dogs on many occasions lately, and getting more so.

In the last 3 years I have had dogs off leads: Steal food from inside a container (two spoilt toy poodles) without a single word of apology even after I had mentioned it to the large woman who owned her 'darlings'. I have had a dog cock its leg on my bag which was placed near me on the ground by a large black and tan dog. I shoved at that one and ended in a nose to nose with its owner, who later came and apologised. I have had a dog bite me, as already described. I have also had an occasion where I addressed a tall guy (someone told me he is a copper from Wootton Bassett) whose dogs dragged all my carefully gathered litter which, was neatly in a heap, all over the place. I have addressed a couple in their late 20s who used a plastic bag to pick up their dog's mess and left it right next to a load of kids who were playing. I have literally lost count of how many times I have seen and mentioned that people have left something behind - my euphemism for "Your dog has crapped and you have done nothing you lazy, ignorant &££^*&^"!"

Without meaning to get peevish, I am sick to my back teeth with it. I am well aware it is not ALL dogs or dog owners but I am equally aware it is something which has affected me personally on an increasing scale over the last few years!

I'd like to ask all here who are signing up and actively working to prevent the traveller's site from being sited within the Calne parish boundary, what are your own personal experiences with travellers?

Geddi

Oh yeah, on the topic of 'uninvited guests' in your home ... Although I don't own a dog at the moment, woe betide any who I find in my home uninvited, law or no law, that is plain rude!

kathy27

Geddi

So, a dog comes over and steals food from you or cocks its leg on your stuff? You gonna stand there and do nothing? No way! You'd push it away too, or be a fool not to. As soon as the dog has stopped, I stop defending my stuff. Owners who react badly to this can deal with the consequences. MOST owners know and accept when their dogs are out of order and are rightly humble and apologetic. Those who are not ... I have no time for.

As for the two occasions you quote for travellers being bad. Hmmm... I've had really bad dealings with people who live in houses. Should I now take it that all parents are bad? lol I guess prejudice has to begin somewhere.

The case where your dad's coal yard was used as an impromptu stopover is not a good one. I do sympathise with that, yet it is to prevent this kind of thing happening in future that the site is proposed. IF we had a site like that here in Calne and a load of wagons, trucks, buses or trailers moved onto the yard again, the council and police would have stronger powers to move them on faster. Aint that better?

kathy27

So what about what happened in Chippenham where they left human waste all over a playing field???

Guess there were no toilet Roll eyes

Block67

Before I start with the initial subject (Post subject: Does the gazzete have something against calne?), then the proposed travellers site, and the spill over into the dogs,

GEDDI,

........is this in fact Ged? (from eCalne infamy?)

Geddi

Block: I have no idea what circles you are mixing in, but where I am from it is most polite to offer a name before you demand or request one, unless you are on official business and wearing a uniform!

Block67

Geddi

Block: I wonder whether it matters what my name is here? Who I am or what I do/did or otherwise?

You have something to say? Please don't let me stop you. Fire away and say it.

Those who know me, know well who I am. Those who were unsure have politely Pmed me and asked. Those who couldn't give a monkey's simply write a comment.

Bear

Geddi

Bear: touche..