Can someone answer my question???

kathy27 · Can someone answer my question???

I know we have talked about dog poo before, but i was talking to a friend today about horses!

now if a dog does a poo in the street and the owner doesnt pick it up, they get a fine and are called irresponsible.

If a man/women (i wont be sexist

) does a wee in the street they also get a fine!

So why is it if a horse does a poo in the street .......nothing happens???

and lets face it, its bigger than any dog can do!!!!

Peter Dolman

As far as I know horse s... does not contain any harmfull bacteria while dog's does. It is also very good for the garden and worth collecting up if you see any.

The biggest difference is that you don't often see any on the pavements/roads/playing fields in Calne or any other town. Its a different matter no matter where you go a dog has been before you leaving little parcells all over the place.

When was the last time someone rode a horse through Calne?

kathy27

So it would be ok for me to walk my dogs on the roads to heddington (still classed as calne) and not pick up after them!

no peter just because horses dont go through the town centre or around your ward, they are still around calne.

maybe there isnt the same amount of bacteria in horses poo as in dogs, but then there isnt in human wee either, so why the fine, if its not as harmful and washes away after the first rain?

Peter Dolman

I did not say it was ok, I am just pointing out the differences.

There are many more occassions where dogs foul the footpath but I have yet to see a horse in Phelps Parade. I have seen many dogs there and have cleared up after some.

No its not alright but its very unlikely to happen for the vast majority of people and there are some who think that their roses benefit from a visit by a horse.

It you live in the country it is part of the way of life as was/is seeing cows and sheep being driven down roads and leaving there contribution on the way. It just happens.

Chuck

If a horse poos you should pick it up if on a path and they are not allowed on the path either (in theory). This dates back to horses being used for transportation. The excrement is treated in a similar way to exhaust.

Horses are not permitted on the pavements or footpaths so should not poo there.

Chuck

Chepfer

Kathy are you saying you think it's ok for dogs to poo on the path and that you shouldn't get fined for it ?

I dont think it's right that horses should be able to either and yes there should be a fine for that .... if there isn't already.

Local lass

when you think of it although niether is nice horse poop poses a bigger threat on the roads than dog poop.
imagen a motar cycle in the dark hitting it.

kathy27

chepfer... no way, if a dog poos in a public place it should be picked up straight away, if not the owner should be fined... as everyone knows i have 5 dogs and when anyone is out walking them they take plenty of poo bags, ive even given some to someone whos dog had a poo and they were about to walk away from it!
I hate it i think if the dog done it in there garden they would pick it up so why not when out in public!!

peter.... i think you have missed my point!
in my orginal post at no point did i say about a horse in calne yet alone phelps parade!
Yes in the towns there is a problem with people not picking up after there dogs.
however just because someone wants to live in the country it doesnt mean they should have to put up with horses poo outside there door!

Peter Dolman

firstly as I have no idea who you are so how would I know you have 5 dogs (1 is normally enough for most people)? Contribute under your real identity please.

secondly living in the country side is different to living in the town.
In the country you live with animals as an intregal part of the landscape, warts and all.
This is a similar arguement that is made about the country side being to noisey. Cockerells crow, church bells rings, cows bellow and animal s***. If you don't like it don't go outside your town.

I have always lived in a town but I understand what it means to live in the countryside.

Calnelife

What are pointless thing to argue about on a Friday morning!

Local lass

Peter Dolman

The point you are making is!

There is a lot of stuff thats seems pointless but everyone has the right to express an opinion.

kathy27

Block67

[quote="Peter Dolman"]The point you are making is!

There is a lot of stuff thats seems pointless but everyone has the right to express an opinion.[/quote]

Should it not be, "the point you are making is?

Your second quote is probably the only true thing you have said, the right to express ones opinion.
Back to the origin of this post, the point being made, and one of a simple general discussion, people and dog owners get fined for messing up our streets, why should horse owners be exempt???
My personal opinion is that they should be made to pay road tax, even if only a token amount, as they can cause accidents, etc.
As for a previous statement made in this post, I have had a "near miss" when ploughing through a pile of horse crud on a motorbike some years ago, and only just managed to stay on the thing!
As for how many dogs someone has, that is down to the individuals concerned, and NO, one is not always enough, mine are all rescued, if I hadn't of done, they would of been destroyed.
Peter, I think you have lost any votes from anyone who loves animals!

Peter Dolman

I don't dislike animals and was replying to calnelife.
I always express the truth as I see it, which may be different from others point of view. You may not like what I think but I am NEVER NEVER ever economical with the truth.

I don't compare the odd occurrance with horses compared with the danger resulting from dogs.
There is a problem enforcing fines against dog owners and it would be no easier against the owners/riders of horses. Any law is worthless unless it can be inforced!

Calne18

dont worry kathy i have 3 dogs

you're not the only one with more than one dog

kathy27 · Calnelife Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 9:22 am Post subject:

Peter Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 8:33 am Post subject:

rosco

Isn't this all getting a bit too personal (as well as off-topic)?

Maybe we should all take a collective and virtual deep-breath, leave it be and move on...

kathy27

My question was, why do dog owners get fined for dog mess and people get fined for weeing in the street but horse owners get away with leaving piles of **** on the road???

All i really wanted to know is was there a law about it?

I never said it was in calne town or anywhere i just asked the question.

Yes i am protective over my dogs as peter is over his wifes horse ( i didnt realise they had one till i was looking over old topics)
but i do pick up after my dogs and would expect the same from any animal owner. I even used to go into next doors garden to pick up after my cat!

I also know that the police dont have the man power to inforce these laws, shame but true.

Block67

-well said kathy!

Block67

I dont mean to pick holes (honestly!), but -

Quote : Peter Dolman : Contribute under your real identity please

If people do not want to be formally identified on a forum, then they dont have to.
Forums are meant to be fun (as well as serious), back to the original thread;
Should horse owners be exempt from clearing up?
NO.

Peter Dolman

I even pick up horse s... from the paddock he lives in, not my favourite job. It goes into a big pile and is rotted down and given away as compost. A neat bit of recycling!

I did not comment on people using the street as lavatory as that is patently not on.

Dogs are not sentinel beings and as such have not thought process other that their nature. It is not unreasonable for their owners to clear up after them. There are hundreds of dogs in the town and it would quickly become very smelly.
There are always people who act unreasonably be they dogs owners or horse owners, I don't condone either.

I suspect that the majority of people if asked would complain about the dogs. This was a topic brought before the council by many people and was the subject of a petition. There was a move to ban dogs from council owned property such as the recreation ground, northend playing field and wessington park playing field.
I argued against that purely on the grounds that it would be uninforceable. To make it work you would need someone to patrol those areas from dawn to dusk and even then you would not catch everyone. Traffic wardens/PCSO's do not have the right to arrest of detain anyone so if the dog owner refused to provide any information what could they do?

It would be great if all dog owners would act responsible!

Local lass

talking of dogs i wrote just before xmas how some one kicked the s hit out of the dog mess bin on are road well since then its happened a fyrther three times latest being last night

Biggles

kathy27

I cant really understand why kids think it would be fun to kick a full bin of s***, they must get it over themselves!

i always bag mine (well my dogs

) and bring it home to my bin.

Peter Dolman

I don't think you should automatically assume its kids that are the culprits, there are some adults who do stupid and mindless acts don't you know!

NotTheMetOffice

I think Mr. Dolmans short temper, arrogant views and mild hypocrisy have lost him a fair few votes... I'll make sure of it as well

Roll on Chucky

Firstly, this is a public forum. Kathy is obviously a well-known figure around the forum community, there's no need to have a go about that. Also, internet privacy laws dictate that you cannot attempt to force another user to display details in the public domain that could make it possible for a stranger to identify them.

Secondly, it's as much right for someone to have 5 dogs (I have a couple myself) as it is for your wife to have an animal which is a danger to motorists which leaves huge piles of sh1t everywhere that other members of the public have to contend with.

If someone wants to own a horse they have to be responsible with it and observe common decency just like us dog owners. How many times I've been cycling and noticed horse sh1t all over the pavement, forcing me off onto a main road... Once even near Calne itself which I'll be hoping your wife had nothing to do with.

Plus horse owners are usually quite wealthy - under a fair system that means they should have to pay if they're going to make the decision to purchase an animal which frightens children, causes a menace on the roads, fouls everything and costs the taxpayer money in a variety of ways.

Block67

lmao - well said NotTheMetOffice, if you were up for election, you would have my vote!

Nice to see plain english used as a direct response, instead of politicians drivel and avoidance of direct answers.

Peter Dolman

I have never criticised anyone for keeping animals, I may have questioned why someone has 5 dogs but thats their choice. I also have a right to express my opinion thats my choice.

You don't have to be rich to own a horse, I suspect it costs Kathy quite a lots to feed 5 dogs throughout the year.

Surely the whole point of sites like this is for indiviuals to express their opinion if its not then I shall stop making any comments.
There are many comments that I find at best irritating and at worst downright offensive but I always stick to threads with subjects with which I know a little bit about.

I always try to answer honestly to the best of my ability, a temper I do not have theres no point.

NotTheMetOffice

Local lass

kathy27

Peter Dolman

That is your opinion, I have set out quite clearly what I stand for. I have a record of working for the community and yes I have a vision of how Calne could be.
Yes I have lived in Calne a long time as have many people, do their desires and aspirations count for nothing?
I have a record of working with others towards a clear goal, I aim to get things done!

The vandalism may have been by kids, but the rubbish bins in North Street/Lickhill Road were often ripped of their supports on a Friday nights by the drunks walking home. The strength required to do that eliminated youngsters. Eventually the rubbish bins were never replaced and even now if you walk down into town the streets are littered with rubbish especially those polystyrene containers.
Teenagers often get a bad press but it is not always deserved.

NotTheMetOffice

Peter Dolman

I guess I am not going to change your mind, which disappoints me.
if you are that passionate yourself then please consider standing for election. new blood is always needed to refresh councils.

kathy27

Peter Dolman

I sorry I don't understand the comment, councils are needed weather we like it or not to run operations. I believe that it is best if councillors are changed on a regular basis that means that there is a need for potential councillors to step forward (2 terms would be plenty)
I would much rather have someone who is passionate about the area where they live than a career politician would'nt you? Kathy you would fit the bill so why would you not consider standing?

kathy27

Your not the first person to say that peter.
I wont ever stand because:
I would rather carry on doing the things i do without having restrictions forced upon me by any one party.
Also i do what i do because i enjoy it, not for thanks or recognition.

Kids do get a raw deal, especially in calne..... after spending many hours talking to kids in calne about what they wanted, (most just wanted a place to hang out)
so we talked to the council about the bowl even offered my partners business labour free. suggested a cafe hut aswell, it would have kept most of the kids in one place most even said they would be willing to help. this was over two years ago!!
The council decided that they would rather spend a stupid amount of money and its still not finished !!!

Block67

>big sigh< - all this brought on by should horse owners be exempt from picking up after their animals!
Please, Please, please, can we try sticking to the subject matter instead of turning it into a political soap box!

Peter Dolman

Kathy I agree with you that kids in general get a rough deal but thats always been the case.
The only way that you can really make a difference is to work from inside the council. The problem is that many of the councillors don't understand the problems that matter. Thats why new councillors are always important, but the same old faces keep getting elected. I understand your position which is where I came from but you sometimes have to bit the bullet and go for it.

The other side of the coin is that once you are a councillor your hands are tied by red tape and other councillors with a different agenda. Yes sometimes it is easier working from outside.

Yes the bowl is something that has dragged its heals for years with no outcome. Another case is the north end playground, the money is in place as well as the plans but nothing has happened for 4 years.
Neither is acceptable but how can this be resolved I would suggest that you attend this evenings Amenities committee meeting (6pm) at the town hall and raise the subject in the public question time. The next meeting is on September 1st. Keep going and ask the same question, email Alana Lewis (gazette reporter) raise the profile and shame the council into action.

Local lass

MODS SPLIT THE SUBJECT THIS TOPIC HAS GONE SO OFF TRACK